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Valve Says Counter-Strike 2 for macOS Not Happening Because There Aren't Enough Players on Mac to Justify It (www.macrumors.com)

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[–] sky@codesink.io 203 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Apple: only implements a proprietary graphics API

Also Apple: Why does no one make games for my platform??

[–] mingistech@lemmy.world 42 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Luckily it plays on Apple Silicon Macs beautifully through CrossOver. In the MacGaming sub users are getting 100+fps.

[–] red@sopuli.xyz 10 points 2 years ago (5 children)

It does, but Valve doesn't spend money in taking any responsibility over it. Also I presume anticheat might not work properly.

In any scenario, the translation layer has a performance impact which for any competitive player is something that makes Apple a no-go.

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[–] henfredemars@infosec.pub 6 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Is this true? Could I not do OpenGL on a Mac?

[–] sky@codesink.io 22 points 2 years ago

They ship an outdated and unreliable implementation 😅 There are things that use it, but my understanding is you couldn't use it in the same way you can on other platforms.

[–] aluminium@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

OpenGL is a fossil at this point.

[–] henfredemars@infosec.pub 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Is it not still maintained and the simplest graphics API available of the big three?

I learned that OpenGL is no longer maintained on Mac. I understand it's on a might work but no guarantee status and no help if it breaks.

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[–] DefinitelyNotAPhone@hexbear.net 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Steve Jobs quite openly hated the idea of anyone gaming on a Mac because he felt like it made their products seem more childish or something. It seems like either nobody at Apple has managed to dig that particular brainworm out yet or have just decided that printing iPhone money makes all other concerns irrelevant.

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[–] Molecular0079@lemmy.world 82 points 2 years ago

So...how long before Apple realizes that game devs are notoriously time-crunched and forcing them to target yet another proprietary graphics API is a stupid move for their gaming ambitions?

[–] i_cant_sports@lemmy.ml 34 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Was CS:GO available natively on Mac? If so, this is unfortunate news for the small subset of Mac users who played, since CS:GO is now no more.

[–] qwertyqwertyqwerty@lemmy.world 30 points 2 years ago

Available, yes. Playable, greatly depends on how much GPU you bought with your Mac.

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[–] KickAssDuke@lemm.ee 24 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Damn Whoopie Goldberg gonna be so mad

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[–] naught@sh.itjust.works 20 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Honestly? Kinda hate cs2. It runs worse (3080ti btw), most of my smoke grenades no longer work, they removed team deathmatch, they removed short competitive matches, and you can no longer play csgo. The more I play the less I'm a fan

[–] Molecular0079@lemmy.world 25 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I get the feeling it was pushed out before everything was ready. I am willing to bet that all these missing features are coming later. Not sure why they didn't just wait before pushing out the game. The smokes are just different, players just need to adapt to new mechanics instead of using the same grenade tactics that they've memorized for years.

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[–] dona1dquixote@lemm.ee 11 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Isn't CSGO CPU bound for the most part anyways?

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[–] dandroid@dandroid.app 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It runs fine on my Linux laptop, which has a 3070.

[–] naught@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I get dips below 100 at 1440p 🙃 time to install linux again

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[–] PixxlMan@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I think much missing stuff is going to be coming. I think they just didn't want to delay CS2 any longer. CSGO is still playable from the properties panel. You can enable a legacy CSGO mode. Not sure about matchmaking though.

On my 3060ti with max everything I always have over 200 fps, but yes, definitely not as fast as CSGO still. What fps are you getting?

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[–] teraflopsweat@lemm.ee 16 points 2 years ago (1 children)

As a Mac user, I’m fine with this tbh. I don’t game on my Mac and most people I know with one don’t either.

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[–] gianni@lemmy.ml 16 points 2 years ago

I think everyone would rather development effort for games go into Linux as opposed to macOS.

[–] bentropy@feddit.de 14 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Wow you guys hate apple more than I do and I really think they're overpriced but okay hard and software for people with other needs. The apple users I know don't really think about gaming at all, wondering how many seriously do.

[–] Cornelius@lemmy.ml 14 points 2 years ago

The hatred has nothing to do with the products but the lack of participation in open standards like OpenGL or Vulkan.

Their products are incredibly well made (though I'd fuckin hope so given the pricing) and their software experience (barring the lack of good graphics API support) is quite nice.

[–] airportline@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago

I mean it would be kinda nice to have games on mac

[–] ulkesh@beehaw.org 12 points 2 years ago

And there's nothing wrong with this. While I'd love to see companies develop games that run on all of the main three OSes, there is cost involved. And Valve determined that cost to be too high to worry with. This doesn't mean Macs suck, it just means Macs are not a viable gaming platform for some companies and some games.

Imagine if we saw reason instead of simply adding ourselves to the "Macs suck" bandwagon. What a world that would be -- with logic and reason and understanding. Nah, just pissing on things is better.

[–] AceQuorthon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Is there a Proton-like software for Mac?

[–] Cornelius@lemmy.ml 17 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Wine is available for Mac, and Apple has started work on their game toolkit which was shown to run cyberpunk (albeit not well)

So yeah, but you're probably better off just dual booting asahi tbh.

[–] loganthered@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago

Does Asahi have full support for the GPU yet? Would Proton work on a non-x86-x64 architecture? Last time I tried it (around 6 months back, been a minute) it worked great for anything that didn't need acceleration but I didn't think it could handle much more.

[–] EmhyrVarEmreis@lemm.ee 7 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Too bad Apple guys won't be able to play a casino with extra steps

[–] Molecular0079@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago (10 children)

Let's be real. You don't HAVE to buy the loot boxes lmao. It's not like they make you any better as a player.

[–] Voyajer@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

CS skins are practically pay to lose thinking about it. They make you stand out against the map more.

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[–] Blastasaurus@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago

Whoopi Goldberg is gonna be pissed.

[–] yournamehere@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago (7 children)

Will there be any new Macs really? Isnt everything just some iPhone/ipad with iOS soonish? I doubt macs have any relevance in the future - just like last time when there was no Steve Jobs around. I mean there arent really any apps even for their watch.... So why bother? Maybe they can just usw some cloudgaming ...Apple ppl love paying and subscriptions.

[–] space_comrade@hexbear.net 10 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Not sure what you're talking about, a whole lot of people use MacBooks, I don't think their market share dropped significantly. Desktop Macs, sure maybe but I think even that won't completely die out.

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