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[-] MossyFeathers@pawb.social 137 points 1 year ago

That's what I find insane. It's like people have lost the ability to say, "what Israel is/was doing was fucked, but also fuck Hamas for mass murder and rape". People get upset when you say, "I feel bad for the Israelis and Palestinians". You're either pro-hamas, anti-israel or pro-israel, anti-hamas. You're either pro-palestine and anti-israel, or anti-palestine and pro-israel.

You know you can be sympathetic to the civilians on both sides and hate the extremists right?

[-] Aylex@lemmy.ml 28 points 1 year ago

Doesn't help that people conflate Hamas with Palestinian civilians.

[-] benignintervention@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

This is why I mostly stay out of that conversation. I don't know enough about the history or politics or general demographics of the region to have an informed and nuanced perspective. I just know it's not good

[-] Blapoo@lemmy.ml 26 points 1 year ago

What!? But! My brain! 2 things!? No . . . One thing! Only pro or anti! Cannot compute!! slams fists on keyboard

[-] bingbong@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 year ago

McConnell mode activated

😶.... 😶.....

[-] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 year ago

Reality is a team sport, to some people.

[-] Zekas@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

And when you take that stance, you get called an enlightened centrist. I lack the words to express my frustration. Why is life so cheap to these people? Do they even fathom what's being lost?

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[-] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 80 points 1 year ago

free palestine from hamas

awfully lot of people make the mistake of conflating palestinians with hamas, especially considering that the last elections were out there almost 20 years ago and weren't allowed since. west bank effectively treats gaza as under rebel government

(same goes for conflating israelis with israeli govt of course. they have mostly-functional elections, but bibi tries hard to undo it with his judiciary fuckery. this might be one reason for intelligence lapse - some army people resigned as a result of these moves and in parallel some seats were stuffed with bibi's people)

then you have this bit where likud needs hamas because this riles up israeli nationalists, which harass and contain gaza and send out settlers which radicalizes palestinian right wingers, which

this has been going on for considerable time and is deliberate strategy of likud https://www.vox.com/23910085/netanyahu-israel-right-hamas-gaza-war-history https://theintercept.com/2018/02/19/hamas-israel-palestine-conflict/

goes without saying that you can't really have peaceful palestine with hamas existing but i'd also say that you can't really have peaceful palestine with likud in power

[-] JebKush@sh.itjust.works 22 points 1 year ago

This is the right take. Likud and Hamas (and the other minor parties/terror groups aligned with those two) deserve each other. The civilians don't deserve to be caught between them. They're both fairly popular afaik, but I can't necessarily blame the people when either side unilaterally disarming would face atrocities.

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

It's all so fucked. I can't even imagine what it's like to be one of the millions of civilians caught between two groups of shitty opportunists.

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[-] Delphia@lemmy.world 57 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

After the Hamas attack the news showed video of Palestinians singing and dancing in the street. My buddy just took a sip of his coffee "What are they celebrating, their last day of having houses? For every action there is a reaction, and an Israeli reaction is quite a fucking thing"

I shouldnt have laughed but not only did I know he was right but he managed to make it a Snatch reference.

[-] Fisk400@feddit.nu 53 points 1 year ago

Trust noncredibledefense to have the proper takes.

[-] rustyfish@lemmy.world 40 points 1 year ago

Which is true and also sad. When the Ukraine Boogaloo started r/noncredibledefense was one of the best sources there. Which isn’t shining a good light on the rest of that site.

[-] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 13 points 1 year ago

nah this is expected. non-specialist won’t find IR/geopolitics/defense shitsposts funny, or even understand them in more obscure cases

[-] PugJesus@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

Gotta know what's right in order to REALLY get it wrong.

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[-] LazerFX@sh.itjust.works 39 points 1 year ago

It's quite spectactular. I think the politcs on both sides are awful, and I really feel for the civillians who are just trying to live their lives under this bullshit. Both sides need to step up and take responsibility for their major, horrific fuckups and problems; and the west in general needs to take responsibility for kicking people out of their homes to make homes for others... but also both sides just need to stop fucking hurting each other for a minute in order to progress.

[-] TheDorkfromYork@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago

What plan would please both sides?

[-] Xanthrax@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago
[-] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 year ago

Blow up the radical zionists and hamas, maybe blood eagle the prime minister of Israel (I am not even gonna try to spell his name) threaten to bomb Tel Aviv if Israel tries anything again. Best idea I have.

[-] S_204@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

Pm of Israel and the leader of Hamas in a hell in the cell cage match? Fight to the death, bare knuckles because they're both obviously savages.

Losing side walks away peacefully.... winner gets shot in the head for being a pos and replaced with a less assholish pm? Step 4: Profit/peace.

Where can you buy tickets?

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[-] Why9@lemmy.world 34 points 1 year ago

I condemn and disagree with Hamas as well. The way they've attacked Israel does nothing but invite suffering for both nations involved, especially Palestinians.

But let's be honest. What's Palestine really getting in aid? Hamas, although extreme and definitely a terrorist group, are the only ones fighting back against Israel? I can't remember anyone putting sanctions on Israel and threatening military action if they continue to destroy settlements in Gaza. It's always just a slap on the wrist.

Sure, free Palestine from Hamas, but then what? Israel gets to continue doing what it has been doing for decades? How does that not just create Hamas 2.0?

The people losing their families don't need thoughts and prayers, and aid money to keep them on a life support machine. I'm genuinely looking for an answer here, because for Palestinians, it does seem like Hamas is their only option?

[-] MisterScruffy@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 year ago

Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable

[-] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago

Violent revolution is never chosen by the oppressed, it is imposed by the oppressor

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

The people losing their families don’t need thoughts and prayers, and aid money to keep them on a life support machine. I’m genuinely looking for an answer here, because for Palestinians, it does seem like Hamas is their only option?

Fatah was an option. But a mixture of Israeli behind-the-scenes manipulation and Palestinian frustration cratered their support in Gaza.

[-] germanatlas@lemmy.blahaj.zone 26 points 1 year ago

Wtf this is way too credible

[-] Borkingheck@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

I've never seen a single person advocating Palenstein ever offer their support for Hamas. Yet social media out pouring suggests otherwise.

It's been weird seeing moral grandstanding from right wingers supporting Israel, because of the war crimes committed by hamas yet when the same thing is reported happening to Ukranians by Russia, its suddenly all fake and we shouldn't get involved and other shinty excuses.

[-] FleetingTit@feddit.de 9 points 1 year ago

*Palestine

Palenstein sounds like a castle in Germany.

[-] Borkingheck@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Something happened to my keyboard yo on the ol mobile and now It doesn't correct my shinty typing anymore.

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[-] Pxtl@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Over the last few days I've noticed that the Venn diagram "Russia's recent attacks on Ukraine are good, actually" and "Hamas' recent attacks on Israel are good, actually" posters is a circle.

Seriously, whenever you find the most extremist pro-atrocity stuff you can search their names and "ukraine" and find the worst Vatnik crap.

If you're rooting for either team in Israel vs Hamas, I'm giving you the stink-eye.

[-] NightLily@lemmy.basedcount.com 11 points 1 year ago
[-] redcalcium@lemmy.institute 10 points 1 year ago

We must achieve peace, by force!

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

PEACE! THROUGH! POWER!

This is to credible!

[-] margaritox@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Can someone explain this meme to me?

[-] Fades@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It is illustrating the only reasonable position in regards to Israel and the Gaza Strip: denouncing the inhumane treatment for many years against the Palestinian people, and at the same time also denouncing Hamas and their terrorism which focuses on non-military targets for maximum impact

Many people, including outspoken Hamas supporters will read “fuck what Israel has done” as vocal support to their cause which is not true as their cause is to kill Israelis by any and all means

[-] margaritox@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Oh ok, I get it now. I guess I expected meme to be more funny than just true.

[-] random9@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago

I found this just now after searching for related topics. This is still going on, my comments were removed and I was banned from two different communities for daring to say both Hamas and Israeli are bad (when the comments I was replying to were only blaming Israeli)

Censorship is very much alive across lemmy, and certain communities definitely seem to allow only one viewpoint to exist.

I made a summary where you can see my comments which were deleted and for which I was banned, and judge for yourself: https://lemmy.world/post/12344087

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