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submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by dbilitated@aussie.zone to c/selfhosted@lemmy.world

I've always hated the idea of using a subscription/cloud hosting for password management. I feel like I should have a LOT more control over that stuff and I don't really want to hand all my keys over to a company.

All my secrets have been going in a highly encrypted archive with a long passphrase, but obviously that isn't convenient on all devices. It's been fine, I can open it on any computer but it's not super quick. It does have the advantage of being able to put in multiple files, notes, private keys but it's not ideal.

Anyway, finally found something that isn't subscription, and has a similar philosophy - a highly encrypted archive file, and it's open source and has heaps of clients including web browser plugins so it's usable anywhere, and you can sync the vault with any file sync you like.

Thought you guys might appreciate the find, password managers have always been a bit of a catch 22 for me.

Note for android i found keepassxc the best app, and i'm using KeePassHelper browser plugin, and the KeePassXc desktop app as well as the free official one. Apps all seem to be cross platform.

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[-] bappity@lemmy.world 74 points 1 year ago

I cannot stop reading it as keep ass

[-] fuggadihere@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago

It keeps your ass out of negligence I’d say

[-] Jerkface@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

Girlfriend at the time noticed this on my phone and had some choice questions for me.

[-] bappity@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago
[-] Lifebandit666@feddit.uk 5 points 1 year ago

That's half the fun, well actually it's a utilitarian app so pretty much all the fun

[-] _dev_null@lemmy.zxcvn.xyz 3 points 1 year ago

Well you don't want your ass took, at least not without permission.

[-] BaalInvoker@lemmy.eco.br 27 points 1 year ago

I use KeePassXC on my laptop, KeePassDX on my phone and sync them with Syncthing.

This ia pretty sweet

[-] dbilitated@aussie.zone 5 points 1 year ago

it's so good, wish I'd found it sooner

[-] hottari@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

Exactly the same thought I had when I ditched Bitwarden for it. In my case, the transition was made even easier as I was already using Syncthing on my devices.

[-] AlexSup21@iusearchlinux.fyi 4 points 1 year ago

I have the same setup. It's really neat.

[-] JubilantJaguar@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Not bothered about the potential for keyloggers or even OS-level snooping on what is presumably your privacy-free Android device? Personally I would never type the master password into anything other than a computer running a FOSS stack that I control, but perhaps that is excessive caution.

[-] BaalInvoker@lemmy.eco.br 4 points 1 year ago

Well, there is a limit to my paranoid. It's really hard to find a sweet spot between security and practicality.

I found mine with this settings I said

[-] BlinkerFluid@lemmy.one 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Keepass clients typically have biometric input... and let's not pretend you don't need to type in your vaultwarden password in Android on the first run, either.

You could use a usb-c passkey but I know that's not the majority use case.

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[-] arrr@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 1 year ago

I installed KeePass(XC) on Android, iOS, Windows, Linux, Mac, for Firefox and Chrome and it's all synced via encrypted cloud share. It even has OTP functionality so you don't have to manually type 2FA codes.

[-] nix@merv.news 6 points 1 year ago

Whats it called on ios? Keepassium?

[-] whysofurious@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 year ago

There’s also Strongbox available for ios

[-] ebits21@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago

KeePassium and Strongbox are both great.

Strongbox is rather expensive if you pay and missing too much if you don’t pay imo. I use KeePassium.

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[-] ebits21@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago

If you keep the database in the cloud I recommend using a keyfile in addition to the password which is NOT kept in the cloud.

Very secure that way even if your cloud account is compromised.

I keep TOTP in a separate database.

[-] Synnr@sopuli.xyz 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yup, I have been using KeePassXC locally since (one of) the first big LastPass breaches. I thought "password manager company... they know encryption" and then kept some of the most important things stored in my vault including notes of Bitcoin seedphrases etc. Thought "even if they get hacked, they wouldn't let anyone exfil the huge amount of data from the USER VAULT SERVER.... thought "my passphrase is like 25-30 chars long, nobody will crack that"...

5 years after my last login and I find out the breach happened, user vaults were exfil'd, the encryption was absolute shit, and the notes weren't even encrypted.

I don't trust cloud companies to keep promises or know what they're doing today. and anything self-hosted isnt Internet accessable unless it's on dedicated hardware subnetted off and wouldn't matter if it got hacked.

[-] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 year ago

Bitwarden for example does public reports and is pretty cheap at 10€ per year. But the base (free) offering is more than enough. The fee is only to have TOTP and a bit of encrypted cloud storage. https://bitwarden.com/help/is-bitwarden-audited/

[-] dan@upvote.au 3 points 1 year ago

The fee is only to have TOTP and a bit of encrypted cloud storage.

And to keep the company alive. It's cheap enough that IMO it's worth paying for if you get a lot of value from it, even if you don't need the paid features.

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[-] IvanOverdrive@lemm.ee 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Love KeePass. When LastPass enshittened, I went looking for something immune to enshittification. Best money I never spent

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[-] sgtgig@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

I have been using KeePass for eight years. Used to just shuffle the file around with Google Drive, now I have it sync'd with Syncthing across a few devices. I use its notes feature to store associated data like S3 keys and it stores my SSH key and KeePassXC can automatically add it to an SSH agent.

I don't really have any complaints about it.

[-] nucleative@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

Been a Keepass user for years and years. Absolutely top notch. There are plugins that can auto fill websites, that can open putty ssh sessions, basically everything you can imagine (or build).

[-] thirdBreakfast@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

Love KeePass, I use it to store all my passwords including to SyncThing, then I keep my KeePass file in my SyncThing instance so I can recover from a disaster. Definitely nothing could go wrong with that ;-)

[-] ensignrick@startrek.website 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

What's amusing is I am purposely not paying for bitwarden because of the check against darkweb leaks or whatever type feature when you pay. That's seems like an anti privacy thing. I understand it's a good idea albeit seems to expose a lot of information about you. I would like to do vaultwarden but don't think I can trust self hosting myself without paying monthly for a vps which I don't want to do. Home Internet hosting seems to unreliable to me for something that important.

Just random thoughts of mine here.

[-] bear@slrpnk.net 17 points 1 year ago

because of the check against darkweb leaks or whatever type feature when you pay. That's seems like an anti privacy thing. I understand it's a good idea albeit seems to expose a lot of information about you

For the password leak checks, your passwords are never transmitted. They are one-way hashed locally, and then only the first few characters of the hash are checked against the API provided at https://haveiveenpwned.com which is run and designed by Troy Hunt, one of the most respected people in the cybersecurity industry. He collects major password breaches and makes them available to check against without actually exposing the data. It's perfectly safe and secure.

[-] skilltheamps@feddit.de 9 points 1 year ago

The bitwarden clients also work when there's no connection to the server, since they sync the vault. You just can't add any new entries. That means spotty internet is not that much of an issue in terms of using it. It also means, that every device that has a client installed and gets used regularly (to give the client a chance of syncing) is automatically a backup device.

[-] Limit@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

I host vaultwarden at home. No real need for a vps since your passwords are synced to your phone or laptop(whatever client you're using) and you can just sync it when you're home if you make changes, or setup a VPN (I use wireguard) and sync on demand when needed.

That said, I do sync my database to a vps for dr purposes incase my home server suddenly vanishes... for critical services I follow a 3-2-1 backup rule but it's not absolutely essential.

[-] hottari@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

Follow OP's approach. Use a Keepass file. It is offline and can be stored anywhere you can reasonably trust. You just need to sync it if you have many clients but syncthing is great for that.

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[-] hoodlem@hoodlem.me 6 points 1 year ago

Are there advantages to this over self hosting Vaultwarden?

[-] Lobotomie@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

No in my opinion its worse in every way

Main thing I prefer about KeePass is that it's a straightforward app that creates a file. Self-hosting a database seems just that much more complicated.

[-] JustARegularNerd@aussie.zone 4 points 1 year ago

I used to be a KeePass user, but moved away because I was ultimately syncing the database using OneDrive, which I felt at that point it was a cloud password manager, which I didn't like for being open to the internet and entrusting the security of the company hosting it.

And yes, I moved to self hosted Vaultwarden with Tailscale and haven't looked back.

[-] Decronym@lemmy.decronym.xyz 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

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[-] LievitoPadre@feddit.it 5 points 1 year ago

I don't know if they fixed it, I hope so, but not long ago there was a very dangerous vulnerability that allowed an attacker to bring able to access the master password.

I was using it long time ago, then I discovered Bitwarden and I'm really happy with it. I suggest you to have a look, in terms of UI is better and can be self hosted too.

[-] fushuan@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

For decent privacy oriented tool recommendations, here's a list.

https://www.privacyguides.org/en/tools/

https://www.privacytools.io/

There was some drama about the webpages so I'll link both to avoid angry users. Anyway, KeePassXC is on there, which it seems like it's a fork of KeePass, you might want to check it out.

[-] RootBeerGuy@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 1 year ago

Maybe a silly question, but since I am considering making the jump to a password manager too, I am curious:

If I have a selfhosted server at home that is not connected to the public internet, can I still ise Keepass? Does it have to constantly sync with the server or is it enough that when I get home my passwords are syncing? Could that be a problem?

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[-] MonkderZweite@feddit.ch 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Mine is a 3-lines-script that gpg-decrypts to runtime-dir, opens editor, encrypts back, deletes in runtime-dir. Password done via zenity/yad.

[-] shadowbert@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

I personally prefer bitwarden, using a self-hosted vaultwarden. It's free, it syncs, it's easy to use.

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