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What few constitutional rights the homeless enjoy may soon be on the line at the high court.

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[-] qooqie@lemmy.world 83 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Man you know what’s not hard? Empathy. You know what is hard? Constantly finding ways to make life for others difficult.

Literally just build some free housing that won’t kick people out after extended periods of time, give them social support for jobs, give them mental health support, and feed them. If they don’t want to live there because of mental health issues, they should still have access to the other amenities and eventually they might move in. And blam, you will have a much better city with less crime and a happier population. Oh and it’s cheaper then funding death and destruction

[-] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 25 points 1 year ago

Empathy is apparently nigh impossible for a lot of people, judging by how rarely they engage in it. I think you know which people I'm talking about.

[-] CADmonkey@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

I think you know which people I'm talking about.

People who have money and have never had anything actually bad happen to them?

[-] Angry_Maple@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago

Those people, and also the people who are obsessed with having someone to look down on.

I've never understood that mindset, because it doesn't actually make them better, it just means that they're aholes.

[-] Candelestine@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Last detail: Proper funding for extra policing, to handle the natural difficulties in transitioning a whole bunch of people to a more structured lifestyle all at once, in the same small geographical area.

Otherwise we'll run into the same problems we did last time we tried block housing, leading to "the projects". I mean, think about it. That's a fantastic market for a drug dealer or a gang otherwise, that many vulnerable people all in one place.

[-] TechyDad@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago

Extra policing would be fine if the problems with police departments were addressed. Without addressing that whole mess, though, throwing more police officers won't solve that problem.

[-] qooqie@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago

Very true and these police should be trained and continually educated on how to deal with and identify mental health episodes. A lot of people hate police as do I, but I truly believe with proper oversight and education they can be a great asset to our society.

[-] treefrog@lemm.ee 12 points 1 year ago

Or just rely more on social workers who actually have that education. And less on people with guns who have a history of authoritarian abuses and state sanctioned violence that can be triggering, especially for people with mental illness.

[-] charonn0@startrek.website 3 points 1 year ago

If they don’t want to live there

This is the tricky part. Any realistic solution can't just gloss over it.

[-] BluJay320@lemmy.blahaj.zone 27 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Will the Supreme Court make life worse for

Yes. Invariably so.

[-] _number8_@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago

this country is so fucking stupid and evil

i like how thomas still gets to decide [and you know what he'll say]

[-] crandlecan@mander.xyz 23 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Based on past decisions I'm gonna say yes

[-] moonsnotreal@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 1 year ago

"Why? 'Cuz fuck 'em, that's why" -Supreme Court

[-] JokeDeity@lemm.ee 13 points 1 year ago

They're doing everything they can to make EVERYONE'S lives worse, so yes, absolutely they will.

[-] superduperenigma@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

EVERYONE'S lives worse

Billionaires:

[-] JokeDeity@lemm.ee 18 points 1 year ago

Billionaires aren't real people.

[-] superduperenigma@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago
[-] JokeDeity@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Damn, can I be something else? "Based" has too much 4chan baggage attached to it for me.

[-] zammy95@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Based is a 4chan thing? I've only heard gen z kids (take kids lightly here, I just mean young people really) say it really

[-] JokeDeity@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

Unfortunately for several years the only way I ever saw it get used was in reference to someone saying something extremely racist or bigoted in some other way. Now it's evolved beyond that but I still can't shake the way I saw it used constantly before from my mind.

[-] h3mlocke@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago
[-] Buffalox@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

Yes they are after all mostly Christians. Christianity in USA is a form of insane sociopathy.

[-] 21Cabbage@lemmynsfw.com 13 points 1 year ago

Would've also made a great Onion headline.

[-] BarrelAgedBoredom@lemm.ee 10 points 1 year ago

Not even gonna read the article. Yes, they will

[-] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 10 points 1 year ago

i mean, i agree the conservatives have shown they contain zero empathy for anyone anywhere except themselves.
but
wasnt the US constitution written for and by a bunch of rich, land-owning white guys? i guess im surprised what rights any non-landowners currently have. lucky us!

[-] YeetPics@mander.xyz 7 points 1 year ago

Tread carefully SC. lots of us are on that fence with very little to lose should we become homeless. I can lose my house, but I'll never lose the memory of how you fuckers sold us out to your donors.

[-] FireTower@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Going to go against the grain here, probably not. The case hasn't even been granted cert yet. They probably won't take up the case.

[-] Treczoks@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

They won't differ, they simply make life as bad as possible for everyone.

[-] Candelestine@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Yes, probably.

Next clickbait headline...?

[-] Ghyste@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago
[-] Velociraptor@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

That seems to be the job of the Supreme Court for quite a few groups of people yes.

[-] _haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago
[-] GopherOwl@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Because nuance is hard to come by. . .

No, the constitutional rights will not change. They will still have protections against cruel and unusual punishment.

The issue is the 9th circuit ruling is overly broad. I fully agree if somebody has nowhere to go, then penalizing them for existing is cruel and unusual. With the stipulations of the Boise shelters, that was certainly the case for the plaintiffs.

However stretching that to "unless there is a shelter bed for everybody, nobody can be penalized for declining a bed" is an illogical conclusion. The difference is individual versus population. If individual A has nowhere they can legally go, they cannot be punished. But that doesn't mean individual B, who does have somewhere to go also cannot be punished.

Using the same logic as the 9th Circuit's ruling, if the government cannot provide a foster home for every child, then we cannot enforce any child endangerment laws. Even if in the hypothetical some child may be able to be placed with a relative, they couldn't be removed from the endangering situation. That's illogical and this ruling needs narrowed in scope.

Edit: I also want to point out that even this post is probably too reductionist. So please add counterpoint, clarifications, etc. One compelling counterpoint I've heard is the difficulty of determining who would be unable to go somewhere. And truthfully I don't have a good argument against it. However I have a hard time accepting when shelter beds have lower occupancy, why no enforcement is allowed.

The bottom line remains these are people, and many desperately need help, some against their will. We need more housing, more support systems, more everything really. But throwing our hands up and allowing the problem to remain unabated is no benefit to the individual nor the community as a whole.

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