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[-] hightrix@lemmy.world 466 points 1 year ago

There is a great way to monitor employee’s performance. This one weird trick will save you losing your best employees!

Are their tasks getting done on time and with quality work?

Congrats! You just learned how to treat your employees like adults.

Now kindly fuck off and let me continue to work in my underwear.

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[-] ilickfrogs@lemmy.world 180 points 1 year ago

Actually it's simple. Work well done? Cool, the employee is working. This "monitoring" mentality needs to fucking die.

[-] pensivepangolin@lemmy.world 64 points 1 year ago

But then how do you justify keeping “middle management” hall monitors on a payroll after admitting they’re pointless?

[-] Cobrachicken@lemmy.world 29 points 1 year ago

Well, they could focus on distributing or coordinating things and assembling results, things they now leave to those who's job it definitively not is.

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[-] ilinamorato@lemmy.world 124 points 1 year ago

"In probably unrelated news, remote workers love how they can't be micromanaged or watched over their shoulders and are frustrated and disoriented by return-to-office plans."

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[-] Naja_kaouthia@sh.itjust.works 109 points 1 year ago

I’ve been working remotely for almost a decade now and have been a manager for 6 of those years and I do the following:

Is [EMPLOYEE]’s work getting done? If yes then do nothing aside from thanking them. If no then talk to employee and/or start the corrective action process.

I have neither the need nor the desire to hover over them. They’re grown ass adults.

[-] The_v@lemmy.world 47 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

A few issues with your method for the average manager.

What work exactly is the employee doing?

How do you know if it is being done correctly?

The average manager has no clue on either of these questions.

These managers rely on wandering around the office judging productiviy by who looks busy and holding constant meetings to hear themselves talk.

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[-] anon_8675309@lemmy.world 98 points 1 year ago

So don’t. Give your employees tasks and then leave them the hell alone. If they don’t get things done, find a new employee.

[-] criticon@lemmy.ca 38 points 1 year ago

I had a one on one with my boss today. He told me he was very happy that sometimes he doesn't even know what I'm doing, but he doesn't get any complaints and all my deliverables are on time. I am for help when I need it and before everything is urgent

Meanwhile he needs to babysit the two most senior employees and have daily meetings with them because they don't deliver anything on time and is going to force them to go to the office twice per week. I guess not everyone knows how to be responsible, but at least my boss knows he can trust some people

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[-] FakinUpCountryDegen@lemmy.world 96 points 1 year ago

As a boss who thinks remote work is fucking amazing, these people are retarded.

[-] Syndic@feddit.de 27 points 1 year ago

And I can guarantee that they have no fucking clue if their workers are slacking off in the office as well. They seriously believe them being in the vicinitee actually encourages worker to work harder. What a bunch of clueless muppets.

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[-] PostMalort@lemmy.ml 22 points 1 year ago

I don't understand the monitoring and observing thing. Is the employee doing their work effectively and within the allotted timeframe? If so great, if not have a chat with them. Where's the problem?

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[-] yamanii@lemmy.world 87 points 1 year ago
[-] tiita@lemmy.world 40 points 1 year ago

This is correct.

They can't adapt or change. They don't know how as they are too comfy and stuck in their ways...

But then they force us to read "who moved my cheese"...

[-] lennybird@lemmy.world 36 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It also likely reveals that for many of these managers, their role as micromanagers is completely unnecessary. So they have an identity crisis, unable to justify their position.

My department has transitioned to WFH and it's been wonderful. Every single employee much prefers it and my boss notes that productivity has increased while "issues" have subsided. That's what you want to see.

Now that I'm doing WFH, I will forever seek a job that enables me to do this at least 75% of the time.

[-] notannpc@lemmy.world 81 points 1 year ago

It’s almost as if most middle management is completely unnecessary and a massive drain on resources if they feel that most of their time should be spent monitoring their employees.

[-] Esqplorer@lemmy.zip 19 points 1 year ago

When a MM is good they're extremely effective by clearly directing their team to the work top levels want done... But that assumes top levels know what needs to be done, can communicate it, the MM understands those priorities, and can apply top priorities to specific details of the team's work.

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[-] Gabu@lemmy.world 79 points 1 year ago

"Bosses" can go fuck themselves, alongside the astroturfing scum that keeps pumping out articles trying to validate the idiotic decision of returning to offices.

[-] AgentGrimstone@lemmy.world 77 points 1 year ago

You can monitor the work being done. Is the work being done? That's all you need to know.

[-] callouscomic@lemm.ee 75 points 1 year ago

They are too stupid to actually review your work. No, they need to SEE you doing your work.

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[-] chris@l.roofo.cc 69 points 1 year ago

I think the biggest problem is that employers used to require that we do all the work we can do. The easiest way to achieve that is to observe that no one is slacking off. With Home Office there is suddenly a need to find out what is a reasonable workload. They seem to fear that they don't get occupy the employees 100% of the time and as usual on capitalism it is not enough when you produce enough bit when you produce all you can.

[-] Senshi@lemmy.world 36 points 1 year ago

I find it odd and oppressive how important this detailed oversight and control seems to be to employers. Home Office compatible jobs are mostly computer and thus "brain work", and here productivity never has related linearly correlated with "time staring at monitor". In office there would be plenty of smell talk, coffee breaks, diddling with smartphones and other ways to relax in between. These breaks are an important part of the productivity cycle, giving the mind a chance to process ideas and problems. In other countries/cultures there's more reliance on the concept of good faith: I work at a company that uses home office contracts by default. I can go to the office if I want, but I don't have to. Last time I've been there is five years ago, long before COVID. The company does not track our computer activity ( illegal here anyway) or working hours at all. Obviously it is still my duty to task the hours I spent working for clients for billing reasons, but that's it. The bosses expect that we spend our time in a manner that is beneficial to the company. If one runs out of work, it is expected to notify one's boss so be take can be found and assigned. Of course they still keep an eye out for slackers, but the metric never is working hours or office hours, it's "what have you spent your time on and how has it benefitted the company?" This approach leads to us employees reciprocating the trust shown. This is the first job I never minded putting in extra hours at critical days, because I know I'll just plan on more off hours or even off days during calmer weeks, giving myself to balance the hours. And no, I don't have to get approval from my employer to do that, as it is expected I schedule my time offs in a manner that is least disruptive. This means I just ask a colleague working on the same or similar projects if he's gonna be there so clients have a point of contact in case of emergency. I don't think I ever can work for a conservative, controlling employer again after having enjoyed this level of mutual trust and maturity in the working environment. It's almost as if I'm self-employed, but with all the benefits of being salaried.

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[-] mechoman444@lemmy.world 66 points 1 year ago

It's actually not that hard. If the assigned tasks are being fulfilled within set parameters there's really nothing to observe and keep track of. What they're worried about and what they can't monitor and observe is what the employees are doing outside of those tasks.

My friend works from home he does all his work and in the down time he'll run errands, work out, and play pool at his local bar. Whatever. His work is fully completed and submitted and his performance views are top notch.

And that's pretty much the only thing employers need to be worried about. How well the work is being completed.

Fuck the office.

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[-] sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz 61 points 1 year ago

Micromanagers HATE this one trick.

[-] HeavyDogFeet@lemmy.world 60 points 1 year ago

They're frustrated because it shows that they aren't necessary. People can just get on and do their work without some micromanager breathing down their neck.

[-] DrMango@lemmy.world 30 points 1 year ago

This is true. Your job as a "boss" should not be to command and control but rather to remove obstacles preventing your workers from doing their jobs effectively.

A good boss trusts their employees to do their work, but is comfortable working with them if there is an issue with their performance.

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[-] Rooty@lemmy.world 55 points 1 year ago

FFS, if you cannot monitor your employee's productivity via ERP software or meetings you are a shit boss and you should have been shitcanned a long time ago. Why the fuck is the mainstream media pumping out this shit day in and day out?

[-] malloc@lemmy.world 33 points 1 year ago

Because commercial real estate is suffering. Got to pump the usage rates and occupancy numbers so the REITs can be rated AAA for investors!!1

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[-] Ookami38@sh.itjust.works 54 points 1 year ago

Simple solution. Is the work getting done? Then your minions, sorry employees, are doing their jobs.

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[-] bemenaker@lemmy.world 51 points 1 year ago

Is the work being finished and timelines being met? Congratulations, you know all you need to know.

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[-] frokie@lemmy.world 49 points 1 year ago

That’s a feature not a bug. Enjoy the increased productivity and the less having to be on top of things that don’t matter.

[-] GladiusB@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago

"We don't know what you're up to!"

You don't know that in an office either. You trust us because you have your own tasks.

"We can't get a hold of you"

That's an individual's responsibility. Don't bunch me up with others.

The whole reason is jealousy and it sucks.

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[-] MargotRobbie@lemm.ee 46 points 1 year ago

Most industries should do remote work as much as possible, specifically the ones that involves sitting in front of a computer all day: less traffic on the road, no commute time, more commercial office real estate that can be converted to housing/shops...

I don't really see the downside to any of this except to micro-managers.

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[-] Fades@lemmy.world 43 points 1 year ago

Because they’re fucking morons that don’t deserve to hold the reigns

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[-] eran_morad@lemmy.world 35 points 1 year ago

Lol, get fucked. I’d sacrifice 50% of my pay before going back to the office full time.

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[-] Fades@lemmy.world 33 points 1 year ago

And THAT is the real purpose behind RTOA; these pathetic losers feel like they’ve lost grip on those they perceive below them

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[-] MaxPow3r11@lemmy.world 30 points 1 year ago

Guess what...FUCK BOSSES.

[-] Elocomanzo@lemmy.world 30 points 1 year ago

I'm a call center manager. I don't really observe or control my team. I just look at their results.

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[-] Snapz@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago

Sounds like they need something to fill their days with AND they don't know how to do their own jobs. If you know the work well enough, you can understand milestone/status checkins and gauge progress enough to fill your useless reports.

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[-] SeabassDan@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

If the work gets done, what's the problem?

This is how you realize that management spent a good chunk of their day just checking on employees while not actually doing anything, and now they're being exposed for having to find ways to fill their day while employees are still being as productive as they were previously.

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[-] ef9357@lemmy.sdf.org 24 points 1 year ago

Waaa! Poor babies.

[-] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 24 points 1 year ago

My old manager through covid required us to log the projects we worked on in a day in an outlook calendar to report our work hours. We had cellphones and were expected to be available during working hours to the public. Work productivity soared, and never had to be managed. Work was already tracked in the database anyway.

New manager barely does shit. Has little mechanism for oversight. You'd think itd be great, but no. My productivity is now ass because work assignments are all over the place with half of the supervisory tasks delegated to junior staff "leads" with no consistency. Most of my time is now wasted with email chains and update meetings so he can figure out what is going on.

I miss working all day from home.

Management is often the cause, not the cure, to low productivity.

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[-] MoonRaven@feddit.nl 23 points 1 year ago

I don't want to be monitored.

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