I cordially dislike allegory in all its manifestations, and always have done so since I grew old and wary enough to detect its presence. I much prefer history – true or feigned– with its varied applicability to the thought and experience of readers. I think that many confuse applicability with allegory, but the one resides in the freedom of the reader, and the other in the purposed domination of the author.

[–] Endymion_Mallorn@kbin.melroy.org 11 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

True. But in 21st century colloquial speech, a linguist would have to admit that, descriptively, "widely applicable" and "allegorical" are nearly synonymous. But I'm also a fan of the quote, history does not often repeat itself - but it rhymes. So whether it's fictional history or rough allegory, the end result is the same.

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[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 49 points 4 weeks ago (4 children)

Europe after stopping fighting the most brutal and effective wars for centuries:

You're sure you want us back? We'll be united this time too.

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[–] rosco385@lemm.ee 32 points 4 weeks ago

I will draw you, Donald, as poison is drawn from a wound.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzIjVKbxuec&t=128

[–] Yaarmehearty@lemmy.ml 27 points 3 weeks ago (21 children)

I’m starting to think the same thing, if you go over US foreign policy since WW2 it is almost like the mask is just coming off entirely now.

[–] gabbath@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

America did a lot of bad stuff, to put it mildly. This is definitely something else though.

[–] Yaarmehearty@lemmy.ml 5 points 3 weeks ago

I agree, that’s what I mean by it just going mask off, there’s no pretending about a probable cause of higher moral path etc this time.

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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 24 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Murica, land of the free, was founded by people who owned slaves. While speaking about the evils of slavery.

So the madness was always there.

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[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 22 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

When did 'Murica, land of the free, abandon freedom for madness?

Oh, I got this one! Pick me, pick me!

Mexico, Samoa, Hawaii, Philippeans, Columbia, Hondurus, Cuba, Nicaragua, Mexico (again), Haiti, Dominican Republic, Russia, Greece, Costa Rica, Albania, Syria, Egypt, Guatemala, Iran, Syria (again), Indonesia, Iraq, Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, Cuba (again), Congo, Dominican Republic (again), Iraq (again), Guyana, Brazil, Chile, Bolivia, Angola, East Timor, Argentina, Afghanistan, Nicaragua (again), Granada, Panama, the USSR, Iraq (again again), Haiti (again), Yugoslavia, Afghanistan (again), Venezuela, Iraq (again again again), Haiti (again again), Palestine (continuously), Syria (again again), Libya, Bolivia (again), Venezuela (again)

[–] SourGumGum@lemmy.world 10 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Can't help but to sing along

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 6 points 3 weeks ago

I gotta organize them to make them more singable sometime.

[–] MisterScruffy@lemmy.ml 20 points 3 weeks ago (16 children)

Murica was never free, has always been madness

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[–] darthelmet@lemmy.world 17 points 3 weeks ago

We live in a country that was stolen then we stole some other people so they could do the work for us. Then conquering half a continent wasn’t good enough for us, so we went around ruining other places if they didn’t want to give us all their stuff. If people think we only recently crossed a line, I’d generously hope they were just ignorant because the alternative is horrific. Every piece of the past is a step that got us to where we are.

[–] prinzmegahertz@lemm.ee 12 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (4 children)

The US is just Helldivers 2 in real life. A democracy managed by Elon Musk and people ready to die for „liberty“, „prosperity“ and „freedom“.

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[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 10 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Legend says it started with Trump getting a dirty sanchez in a Moscow brothel.

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[–] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 8 points 4 weeks ago

Friesengard

[–] stebo02@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 4 weeks ago (3 children)

America may be able to join Russia, but ultimately the war in Ukraine is a war on Europe so how tf does Europe "join" Russia (besides handing over the entire territory)?

[–] angrystego@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago

I think that's the point, that's what Saruman here is advising, just like some European politics, unfortunately - to join Russia willingly, to become what Belarus is, a vasal state.

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[–] mariusafa@lemmy.sdf.org 8 points 3 weeks ago (9 children)

Europe must join together send to shit USA and go full Gandalf the White

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[–] samus12345@lemm.ee 7 points 3 weeks ago

More importantly, why is EU Gandalf supporting so many pro-Sauron leaders when they have USA Saruman's fall as a cautionary tale right in front of them?

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