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Updated to include a disclaimer for Non-European but open source/self-hostable software and replace Pipedrive with efficy as the wrong Imprint was used to identify as European while being American.

The next infographic is ready. Any feedback is appreciated!

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[โ€“] alvvayson@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

There really need to be financial incentives to get companies to switch to European IT solutions.

If just a few European enterprises would purchase these products, there would be enough funding to make them very competitive.

[โ€“] buyeuropean@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Absolutely! That's why we want to promote moving to European solutions.

[โ€“] alvvayson@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 month ago

Yes, we want that. But sadly those incentive structures don't exist to my knowledge.

In my company we are looking at a relatively big niche IT purchase.

The European alternative is quite good, and more innovative than, but not yet on par with, the US alternative.

If 2-3 companies like ours would choose the European competitor, they would have enough references and revenue to be able to compete on a global level.

The irony is that there is a non-European company from a very small country that is also very good and their country is known to really stimulate domestic production.

In the EU, our IT policy really sucks.

[โ€“] Blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Buy the way, I see you posting from the two accounts, but you can just use the one you prefer, no need to keep both ๐Ÿ˜„

[โ€“] buyeuropean@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 month ago

Oh, I know but thank you! It's just that I started (stupidly) on Lemmy.ca, then became mod, then started an account on the proper server (feddit.org) - and now I would need to migrate. At some point I will.

[โ€“] Blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 month ago

Nice, first time I hear about a few of these!

[โ€“] Spaniard@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I don't think many people know about Jottacloud, a norwegian cloud storage solution (only 5GB free though)

[โ€“] NanoooK@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 month ago

There is Hetzner also, it's German.

[โ€“] Sailing7@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 month ago

Have alread uses:

  • openProject (though not that much since it was a one time occurance but the software was absolutely great!)
  • xwiki: since a few months (work migrating away from the atlassian clusterfuck). Migration a bit of work but a paid tool did the most part for us. Now using xwiki - most things work the same. Some though had to be realised in a different way (some rare edgecass confluence plugins that were missing in the xwiki store)
  • Mattermost. Using it for years. Its fucking great! Easily the best one on the market! Better than teams and whatnot.

I'll look into the rest of those alternatives! :D

[โ€“] Thorry84@feddit.nl 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I love this initiative and looked up something I use a lot at work. I use Confluence for a whole lot of things, often in teams but for myself as well. So I looked up XWiki but found it wasn't really comparable.

Confluence is a SaaS product. It used to be self hostable as well, but I don't think it is anymore. But one of the reasons I use Confluence is because it's very easy to setup and get going. For my own (work) stuff it's free. And when I work with teams from customers it's still very cheap and so easy to get going. This means at the start of the project I recommend to my customer to use it and they often agree right away because it's zero overhead, zero hassle and pretty cheap. It also integrates well with stuff like BitBucket, Trello, Jira etc.

Maybe XWiki is comparable from a feature point of view, but not from a service point of view. Self hosting is not something I want to put time into, so I would have to pay someone to do it. And convincing my customers to do such a thing is a complete no-go.

Are there comparable services either in the form of SaaS or reasonable priced hosted options? I know from a consumer point of view SaaS is the devil, but from a business point of view it's basically the only accepted form right now.

I would love to switch over to EU only products and services, but it has been hard finding the right solutions.

[โ€“] Lasagna@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Pure speculation, but I think a lot of people hate Atlassian products because theyโ€™re using outdated self-hosted versions that are not configured properly.

Iโ€™m a big fan of their SaaS products. Theyโ€™re cheap (often free depending on team size), get lots of updates, look modern and just work really well.

Theyโ€™re not EU, but at least theyโ€™re not US either. Donโ€™t mind some money going to the Australian economy. (I feel similarly towards Canada and Mexico)

[โ€“] cronenthal@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

We use Pipedrive and I can we wholeheartedly recommend it. For project management this is missing InLoox, which is a known quantity in German speaking countries.

[โ€“] buyeuropean@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Thanks for the feedback. InLoox has been added to the database: https://buy-european.net/category/project-management-software Please note that we mistakenly put Pipedrive in the infographic in the first version due to Imprint confusion. The company is based in New York and we therefore replaced it with "efficy".

Noooo, not Pipedrive! Welp, I guess we'll look into alternatives now.

[โ€“] BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

YouTrack is great. I wish more companies would consider it instead of Jira.

[โ€“] jlh@lemmy.jlh.name 2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I think its more actionable if the left column is labeled "American". I can't imagine that many public sector workplaces are very excited to be using American controlled software and sending all their national defense data to Trump's fiefdom.

[โ€“] buyeuropean@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 month ago

It's not just American software in the infographic. We want to showcase European alternatives for lots of products and companies, not just American.

[โ€“] jhulten@infosec.pub 4 points 1 month ago

Atlassian (Jira, Confluence) is Australian.

[โ€“] asininemonkey@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

pCloud for another Dropbox alternative.

[โ€“] nick@midwest.social -1 points 1 month ago (2 children)
[โ€“] Sailing7@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago

Actually... I've been working for a comp thats using mattermost. For years.

And its friggin glorious. Its performant, rich in features and is FOSS. Fuggin love it.

Teams and whatever can take a dump on some field. I'm rooting for Mattermost

[โ€“] NanoooK@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 month ago

Why ? I enjoyed using it.