It's not terrorism, it's just freedom fighters' shenanigans
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Didn’t these people advertise that they’re all domestic terrorists at the RNC?
Wait, that wasn't photoshopped???
edit: nvm - this party has truly become a parody of itself. And not just since then. Nobody should be surprised anymore, but it still happens again and again.
A parody of itself, that’s pretty good. Accurate too.
Just a reminder that HitlerPig loves her because when he was running for president in 2016, she was the Florida AG, and they were about to fine HitlerPig $25 million for fraud over his HitlerPig University scam. He gave her a $25,000 contribution to her reelection campaign, and she dropped the lawsuit. So he knows she's in his pocket. Now she's been rewarded with the AG position.
That, and her enormous fake boobies.
Bribery is absurdly cheap
It's early in the morning here and this already made my day.
This right here lol
But if someone torches a Toyota Camry or spray paints a Ford F150 it's just vandalism. Only when it affects the richest man in the world is it considered terrorism.
Unpopular take, but I do believe this qualifies as terrorism. Definition 1, "the unlawful use of violence or threats to intimidate or coerce a civilian population or government, with the goal of furthering political, social, or ideological objectives." Definition 4, "intimidation or coercion by instilling fear". Haven't seen it escalate to the level of physical violence, fist/gun fights yet. But it meets the definition of terrorism.
"SELL YOUR SWASTIKAR NAO." Sounds to me like...intimidation or coercion by instilling fear.
There is more than slight difference between setting a single Toyota Camry on fire or spraypainting a single Ford F150 & specifically torching 10 Tesla charging stations, torching/shooting 17+ Tesla cars, latexing a Tesla robot, and damaging 4+ Tesla showrooms. An isolated incident can be written off as vandalism; multiple specifically targeted attacks (at least 32 objects, properties of like brand) & fuck knows how many more swastikas & nonsense put on cars out in the wild...that strikes me as the unlawful use of violence or threats to intimidate or coerce a civilian population or government, with the goal of furthering political, social, or ideological objectives. AKA, terrorism. You can't do or encourage the literal definition of a thing & then deny you're that thing. If you're going to be a bitch, you gotta be the whole bitch.
And I don't 100% disagree. I'm just pointing out the double standard. If J6 was just a peaceful protest after they vandalized property, terrorized elected officials, and attacked police, then how is vandalizing Teslas terrorism? Either it's all terrorism or none of it is. If you choose what's terrorism and what's not based on who it affects and not what actually happened you're just putting targets on specific people. As you said, if you're going to be a bitch, you gotta be the whole bitch.
J6, big can of worms. I can agree that the individuals who vandalized government property, broke doors & windows & such, terrorized elected officials, and attacked police receive a terrorism charge. I mean why not. It would enforce order, civility.
Coincidentally, I have a guy who talked with a pardoned J6er. An older man. According to him, he saw a police officer take out a baton & beat the shit out of an older woman for no reason, then he tried to just disappear back into the crowd of police. Old man visually tracked him, tracked him down a short while later, and administered his own beatdown on the policeman. Old man was identified, plead guilty to charges, jailed until recently. In retrospect, he admitted he "shouldn't have done that".
Again, according to his testimony. I wasn't there, idk. I see a decent amount of ACAB on these forums, and if he's being honest...that was his reason for attacking a police officer on Jan 6th. Because he was beating the shit out of an older woman with his baton, without cause. ¯\(°_o)/¯
Funny how just a few years ago those same people wouldn't even have pissed on a burning Tesla. Musk decides to do a Nazi salute and all of a sudden conservatives love Tesla now.
Those same people invaded our nations capital in an attempt to over throw our government... And now they are in charge of the government.
Yes there will be consequences.
Insurance rates for Tesla's going way up.
The market will solve this problem, too!
Remember to never bring your phone with you and use the woods to escape.
Face paint in patterns to disrupt facial recognition and small rock in a shoe to change your gait
Seriously good advice. Particularly since you can and will get charged with a terrorism offense. Let's be honest here, people are going after Tesla because of what Musk is doing in the government. That means that people are using violence and intimidation in order to intimidate a civilian population or influence government policy. I really doubt that prosecutors will not have trouble making such charges stick. Just because you're the good guys, doesn't mean you won't spend a lot of years in prison if you get caught.
(5) the term "domestic terrorism" means activities that—
(A) involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State;
(B) appear to be intended—
(i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population;
(ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or
(iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States
I'm sure you know this but freedom fighters have long been called terrorists to try to delegitimize their cause. It takes a very special kind of bravery to risk everything and more for what you believe in, Knowing that you'll be slandered and slurred by what you're fighting against. I just hope in the end they're all vindicated.
On another note, it's wild that when the other side commits the same actions listed above it is never officially labeled as terrorism. We're all living in crazy land.
Remember when the j6 crowd smeared literal shit on the wh walls. They all got a pardon.
600 mass shootings a year. 20+ targeted white nationalist massacres have happened since 2016, including the largest mass casualty event in american history in vegas, and none of those people were terrorists.
Yet, every one of them had a manifesto, and it was covered in every new outlet. No terrorist.
Let's call it like it is– this is nazi germany now. Brownshirts were deputized eight years ago and people only just made the connection when he pardoned them for trying to help his coup. (Something totally unprecedented and definitely not a direct parallel to weimar germany both allowing Hitler to create a gang of street fighters but also allowing them to do the putsch, and then giving Hitler a three year jail sentence, after which he reassembled the brown shirts and started the SA who then started killing Communists and burning down synagogues once Hitler won the chancellorship)
FWIW, the Vegas shooter did not have a manifesto and I don't remember seeing any evidence that he was a white nationalist.
Thats crazy work. There was no motive determined bc he was just some psycho gambler with a gun obsession. Who does that sound like? A right winger.
Don't ask me, go look at the FBI's own statistics (if they still exist) on domestic terrorism and something insane like 90% of the violent offenses are committed by right wing terrorists. The murders, bombings, and assaults are all overwhelmingly right wing.
The conversation at hand is that terrorism is committed by conservatives who don't care about the lives of people they don't view as people. My bad, I forgot that one terrorist hadn't written a manifesto.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not disagreeing with your general point that right-wing terrorism is ignored by the media. Just wanted to clarify that you said "every one of them had a manifesto" but the Vegas shooter did not. That said, a lot of the details of his life are things I associate with right-wingers: worked for Lockheed, owned rental properties, 2nd amendment, lots of cruises. Like you said, I would describe his motive as "disdain for other people/society" but for some reason that's not considered terrorism.
^ Yes, this is what actual violence and terrorism looks like.
(Expropriating some cars is not even close.)
Let's be honest here. There is no violence. Expropriation is not violence.
The capitalist denial of a difference between people and things is a major foundation of fascism.
If you believe the reporting, there have been violent attacks on Tesla dealerships. And even if you are not personally committing a violent act, if you are at a protest when it happens, you'll likely get charged too.
On a side note, don't forget that our justice agencies and far-right militias have been known to send agents provocateur to such events to commit violent crimes to turn peaceful protests violent.
Burning cars because you dislike Musk isn't terrorism.
- Wear gloves
- Have a change of clothes
- Have alibis
- Spray cameras if you can
Yeah, well I consider Pam Bondi even existing in my reality personal terrorism.
Considering Tesla's habit of manufacturing vehicles that randomly combust... Are we sure all of these are acts of vandalism? You're telling me that during record sales slumps and heightened apathy that the massive grifter definitely isn't cutting corners on safety?
I think he is setting fire to them himself. I mean how else can Elon get money back on all these cars he can't sell. I be shocked if there is actually people out setting these on fire.
It's a fucking setup, to goddamm convenient.
How DARE people attack a white South African man?!
You jest, but "persecution of whites in South Africa" is literally something MAGA people complain about.
By literally not engaging them. Terrorists!!!
The racist liberals are attacking an African-American.
It might be illegal but it is also pretty based.
I don’t advocate doing it of course and as OP stated, they are basically driving surveillance cameras.
It's not a vandalism it's a Roman paint job.
Also Roman knows how to check manual where the cameras are.
Inflation of terms. To move attention away from yourself. Every accusation is an admission. MAGAGOP
These scumbags crying over cars while promoting genocide... Welcome to USA!
Maybe someone e will ask to see results of this only to get Rickrolled again? Hope for incompetence, prepare for malign intent, I suppose.
Pam bottled Blondie
I really hope it’s Elon or someone else on the right doing this to frame elon haters. Because if this really is someone who hates Elon doing this that just makes people want to side with him more
Funny, in the conversations I've had with random people on this topic, the only one who objected to this action did so because he said it should have been Musk, not the cars. The rest were entirely in favor.