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[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 44 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

And somehow it won't effect the war at all

Russia has been on the brink of collapse for 20 years now.

Ping me when something actually happens that isn't just propaganda.

[–] Randomgal@lemmy.ca 72 points 1 day ago

It's ok, they'll just buy them from the US. That's what allies do.

[–] Wolverdiddlyino@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Tanks have not been very useful relative to their expense in the age of drones.

[–] Naevermix@lemmy.world 11 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

And yet, moving the front is almost impossible without them. All vehicles struggle with drones but at least tanks won't go down from machine gun fire, and without vehicles were pretty much back to WW1 tactics, fighting over inches.

[–] lumony 2 points 7 hours ago

and without vehicles were pretty much back to WW1 tactics, fighting over inches.

Which is kind of what the war in Ukraine has become.

Maybe one day we'll learn as a species that there is no good way to fight a war and we should just avoid it altogether.

Most of us are just fighting over what the ruling class wants us to fight over, anyways.

[–] captain_oni@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 15 hours ago

Kinda what happened to battleships in the era of aircraft carriers and submarines?

[–] LuckyPierre@lemm.ee 72 points 1 day ago (50 children)

Elsewhere on Lemmy today;

Germany warns Russia may be preparing attack on NATO

Both of these cannot be true.

[–] TThor@lemmy.world 27 points 1 day ago

They can be true. They might be low on current stockpile, but what is building up is production capacity. Preparing to attack doesn't mean immediately attacking, what most have concern is that once Russia's war against Ukraine cools down, Russia will spend the next 4-10 years building up towards potentially attacking NATO nations.

Yes, years down the line doesn't sound as alarming to the layman, but it is critical for that eventuality to be recognized and prepared for, nations and industry move slowly, and they need to prepare to fight another long drawn out war.

[–] PumpkinSkink@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago (2 children)

We have to keep in mind that Europe needs to justify austerity for the citizens and rearmament for their militaries. I have no evidence of this, but I think it's an entierly sensible read that the warning from Germany is an overstatement with that intent in mind.

[–] boonhet@lemm.ee 3 points 15 hours ago

I guess you need to pretend there's a threat NOW in order to divert funds towards defense now.

If the threat is in more like 10 years, why don't we start investing next year instead? etc.

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[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 64 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The idea is that after some kind of cease fire, russia will churn out stuff for 3-4-5 years (so mebbe 1.000 tanks?) and then not go full frontal against NATO but say take a bite out of Lithuania, just to see what the response will be.

Like they have been doing since forever (Chechnya, Moldavia, Georgia, Ukraine and so on).

[–] mechoman444@lemmy.world 19 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Correct. The issue with Ukraine though is they fought back and didn't give any land to Russia. Now Putin needs to save face and how many people put through the meat grinder to do that is irrelevant.

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[–] Triasha@lemmy.world 18 points 1 day ago (2 children)

They absolutely can.

Russia has thousands of men willing to fight in horrendous conditions.

A few thousand soldiers that are very well equipped might lose to 10x as many badly equipped enemies.

I think they would lose, but they might not think so.

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I still can’t believe how fucking shameless their regime is with those “prizes”. Like… holy fuck.

[–] barryamelton@lemmy.world 7 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

It's about search engine squatting, if you now search "Russia meatgrinder" you get that, instead of articles about losing the war.

Lmfao this is hilariously logical and I bet it’s actually the reason

[–] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 3 points 13 hours ago

I mean it is so ridiculous on so many levels but also the gifts themselves are so absurd. If some of their high up elites just skipped a single dinner, they could probably buy something that is worth 10x more. The ruling class became so addicted to their money that they can't even sacrifice a minute fraction of it for proper propaganda lol.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

Russia has thousands of men willing to fight in horrendous conditions.

They've got hundreds of thousands of conscripts who are largely dug in along an enormous front, along the four eastern most seized Oblasts in Ukraine.

Any attack they would make into a NATO state would be an artillery bombardment intended to deny Ukrainians resupply, not a ground invasion to secure territory. Particularly not when they have poor control over their own borders and a nasty instance of counter-insurgence popping up in and around their major cities.

[–] tauren@lemm.ee 24 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Both things can be true because Germany is talking about risks in the upcoming 5 to 10 years, while this issue is relevant today.

[–] lepinkainen@lemmy.world 32 points 1 day ago

There are ways Russia can attack that doesn’t include massive tank charges

[–] schnurrito@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 1 day ago (7 children)

Everything written about this conflict (by anyone) is propaganda. The enemy is a powerful and maximally oppressive force we all need to fear, but is also so weak it's losing equipment fast and its final defeat is only a matter of time.

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[–] LordR@lemmy.world 204 points 2 days ago (7 children)

I really hope Russia is collapsing soon so Ukraians can have actual peace.

[–] Raiderkev@lemmy.world 117 points 1 day ago

And the world. Fuckers have infected everything

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[–] LeninOnAPrayer@lemm.ee 47 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (16 children)

I don't know what to think anymore. I feel like every week for the last 4 years it's been "China's economy is going collapse any day now" and "Russia is losing so many people and resources in this war. They might as well give all of Russia to Ukraine"

I don't take any news written in English with any seriousness for these two countries.

Also, pretty sure modern warfare has learned heavily that tanks are completely obsolete against drones. Or even less modern warfare tells us how useless they are in cities against gorilla fighters.

[–] lumony 0 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

I don’t take any news written in English with any seriousness for these two countries.

Thank you. I'm glad other people are starting to realize that all of our information is fed through an English-speaking filter first.

If we want to see more than what English-speakers have deemed palatable for us, we need to learn different languages.

it's sad how we can't overcome propaganda and at least make an attempt to understand the truth, but it really puts into perspective why I should not respect the vast majority of my peers in the modern day.

Too many people are overtaken by hysteria.

[–] Not_Dav3@lemmy.world 29 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Unless the Ukrainians have resorted to conscripting great apes, it's "guerilla" rather than "gorilla".

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