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Trump's tariff threat is turning two of the world's biggest foes into friends (economictimes.indiatimes.com)

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[–] Sodium_nitride@lemmygrad.ml 16 points 1 week ago (1 children)

If china manages its relationship with India we'll enough that the us can't get Indian help during ww3, then that's pretty much checkmate for the us.

Nuclear war or help from India is literally the only possibility of western imperialism ever defeating china (although in either scenario, western imperialism will also collapse).

[–] commiewolf@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Extremely overhyping India's military capabilities, in every skirmish with Chinese troops they have repeatedly lost over the past decades. Their equipment is also bizarrely sourced, half from NATO and half from Russia, meaning theres low equipment standardization and precarity in the event that they piss off either bloc. India is completely insignificant militarily, and heavily economically reliant on both China, and the US. And in any scenario where they fight a conventional war with China, they will lose, and in the event of a nuclear war, nobody wins anyways.

[–] Sodium_nitride@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I wasn't purely talking about military strength. India has a relatively large industrial vase (decent amounts of steel production and large labor pool) which could in theory supply the west
India has the ability to help enforce a blockade of the straits of malacca.
India has borders with China, meaning they could occupy a front and divert resources
India is building up missiles and ships. It's not as if they don't have any domestic production of weapons.
India has a large population for youth, and therefore could supply the west with a large amount of manpower

I still think that in a ww3 scenario, China will win no matter what, but the west could drag things out much longer if they have India.

[–] commiewolf@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This is somewhat true, but it makes little difference, India's navy is still orders of magnitude below the standard of the modern Chinese fleet, and their doctrine is outdated in modern naval warfare, where carrier groups are a thing of the past. Also, their land borders with China are all nearly impassable Himalayan mountains and narrow passes, and their industrial base is large but very antiquated, and is modernizing at a snails pace due to corruption and mismanagement.

Yes they do have a newfound initiative to create domestic weapons technology, but it is largely unproven and still only makes up a portion of their stockpile, their best equipment is licensed from NATO and Russia.

I'm just saying that if Mao were alive today, he wouldn't call the US a paper tiger, but rather India, which today is probably the least capable major power in the world militarily relative to other similarly sized countries. The main (and only if we're being honest) strength of the Indian military is it's fleet of Nuclear warheads. Which again, are inconsequential because the moment those are flying, it's game over. I don't think anyone wins in a ww3 scenario. But in conventional war or some kind of limited military intervention, India has no chance.

[–] Sodium_nitride@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 1 week ago

India’s navy is still orders of magnitude below the standard of the modern Chinese fleet, and their doctrine is outdated in modern naval warfare

This assumes that things remain the same for the foreseeable future. If WW3 starts and finishes by the end of the decade, I would agree with this point. However, it is difficult to imagine that India will make no headway in military modernisation by 2030, especially if it has plans to participate in hostilities against China.

Not to mention, in a collaboration scenario, the west can help india speed up modernisation (and it will have its own internal initiative as well)

Also, their land borders with China are all nearly impassable Himalayan mountains and narrow passes,

They don't need to conquer China through the himalayas. They just need to occupy Chinese efforts and attention.

the least capable major power in the world militarily relative to other similarly sized countries

The only country with a similar size is China.

[–] DamarcusArt@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 1 week ago

I think it's more just that it opens up another front against China and forces China to waste their resources, plus, the Indian navy's game plan would be to blockade the straits of Malacca and devastate Chinese trade. They wouldn't be a superpower capable of winning the war by themselves, but they put added pressure on China and help encircle them.

[–] ComradeIntergalactic@lemmygrad.ml 15 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Biden did the same with China and Russia, it is quite funny to see the US elect two back-to-back dementia patients.

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 1 week ago

🤣

[–] DamarcusArt@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

"Hubris" is a fun word to say. Doesn't get used enough. The US had achieved "the end of history" but they just couldn't rest on their laurels, they had to do everything in their power to force the other great powers of the world to work together against them.