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So... what do we do in WW3? (lemmygrad.ml)
submitted 2 weeks ago by Xiisadaddy@lemmygrad.ml to c/comradeship@lemmygrad.ml
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I think its pretty obvious America wants to destroy China and will start WW3 to do it if need be. Tf are we supposed to do. Just try to survive and hope the Chinese win? I wish everyday America had some sort of vanguard party that could lead us through this.

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[–] AlbigensianGhoul@lemmygrad.ml 28 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

I'm guessing you are asking this from a US perspective.

The Practical Policy of Revolutionary Defeatism

First: Get yourself organised. Action without organisation is either liberalism, anarchism or adventurism. Join the FRSO or the PSL.

Second: your organisation should organise against the war by agitating against the state itself and for peace, but also by hampering the capabilities for continued war, through strikes, protests, road blockages and whatever else is an acceptable method for your organisation.

Third: Survive yourself but also help others survive. Whatever was the US engages in now, there'll be a severe economic impact due to deindustrialization. Your organisation should act to help those most in need, which serves a double function of cementing which side the communists are on (the proletariat) against the interests of the parties with state control.

As a side note, it honestly confuses me how much I need to remind people on a Marxist-Leninist forum that getting organised is the first step. I don't know if this is a cultural US liberal thing of thinking oneself too unique for a movement or too good for a middling party, but that's what it seems like. I'd understand if the complaint was "I don't have time for militancy" but it's usually just "the parties are bad" like a good party is just going to spontaneously manifest itself.

[–] LeGrognardOfLove@lemmygrad.ml 19 points 2 weeks ago

The masses have been divided in the west.

Family links are next to none existant and people are seen as tools to an end.

Individualism made it very easy to make the whole of idea of "organizing" something fringe or hard.

People simply forgot we used to work collaboratively for our own good and welfare and see organizations as a feodal like link, because that's mostly the reality of the westerner.

[–] cimbazarov@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 2 weeks ago

I don’t know if this is a cultural US liberal thing of thinking oneself too unique for a movement

It's mostly this. We are brought up with individualist propaganda and great man theory bullshit to explain how everything works in our society. Then you get people who feel alienated at the mention of a "society" or "community" cause they think they're special snowflakes that don't fit in with everyone else, when our culture is designed that way.

[–] chickennuggies@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 2 weeks ago

Also join your local SRA

[–] Xiisadaddy@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I wasnt trying to say that i was against organizing with the parties that do exist. I'm just trying to get across that i wish theyd do other things. But i cant say those other things. ok?

Those other parties are fine if your doing the things they do. Which are great. I support doing those things too. Theres a certain thing though thats a bit missing from the equation tho. Some really specific, material action, that i can't say outright.

[–] AlbigensianGhoul@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Well, in that case those other things can't be said outright as answers either.

What can be said is a list of sources, perhaps.

TM 31 210

Other more up to date TMs and FMs

Chemistry Youtuber

Some theory

Also check out some circuitry courses online and try to learn how to solder and short-circuit batteries. And join the SRA, maybe budget for a 3D printer.

And finally I recommend reading through David Shub's biography of Simon Ter-Petrosian, for some lessons on what to do, what not to do, and what can go wrong.

However I still advise those other things to be done with some sort of organisation.

[–] Xiisadaddy@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 2 weeks ago

I'm actually going to college for engineering so I will definitely have some special skills that could come in handy. I think robots are gonna be a big part of the war thats coming, as both China and the US are heavily investing in them, so gonna learn as much as i can about them.

[–] cimbazarov@lemmygrad.ml 15 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

We need to organize better. There is a lack of militant groups that aren't just straight up fascists.

How to build up an organization, idk, that is the hard part. I feel like the most compelling thing you can ask someone is what would they do if shit really went down? Police won't protect you. Your company won't protect you. Your friend group or family is probably too small or weak.

Maybe its possible to sway left wing groups to be more militant and armed?

At least shit really hasn't hit the fan yet that we can still organize.

[–] Xiisadaddy@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Yeah thats what im wondering too. Like how do you actually build a group to do that stuff without getting sent to SEACOT.

[–] cayde6ml@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

SEACOT?

[–] Xiisadaddy@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

el salvadoran concentration camp the Trump admin has been sending people to.

[–] cayde6ml@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I figured that was it

[–] Xiisadaddy@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I learned after this its spelt CECOT btw

[–] cayde6ml@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 1 week ago

I learned that too

[–] chesmotorcycle@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 2 weeks ago

Let's pretend it's this one: http://seacot.co.jp/en/

[–] ahriboy@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Don't be dragged into the conflict. Find safer spots.

[–] Xiisadaddy@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I don't like the idea of letting our Chinese comrades do all the fighting and dying for us while i hide in the forest tho.

[–] Orcinus@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Fair enough but with their advancing military tech, China may not even need to send soldiers out at all by the time WW3 comes.

EDIT: Saw in another one of your comments that you're aware of the heavy investment in robots.

[–] MasterBlaster@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

crimes, as soon as times get hard in the home country i'm resorting to crimes. organized crimes, random crime, union adjacent political crimes, whatever. fuck fighting for the imperial machine and fuck dying due to austerity. i'm straight crime'ing it.

[–] Commiejones@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Agitate. It's always the answer. Western nations need a serious injection of class consciousness. Using anti war sentiments as a starting point for agitation will become much easier (though more dangerous) when the war goes hot.

[–] Xiisadaddy@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

We would have to either coopt one of the existing parties or make a new one eventually if we wanted to have an actual organization to agitate people and send them to though. I've seen some stuff that suggested PSL might be open to moving in that direction if the support was there, but who knows. Stuff like that takes time too im worried we dont have enough of it.

[–] Commiejones@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 2 weeks ago

It doesn't have to take that long. The Bolshevik party was founded in 1903 and after several splits still took control after the revolution in 1917.

[–] 201dberg@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Hope you live someplace that's not a military or infrastructural target cause WWW3 will just be nuclear Armageddon. The US got nothing to combat China with outside of a 10 to 1 nuclear warhead ratio.

[–] Xiisadaddy@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 2 weeks ago

Ive read recently that China has devloped a pretty good missile defence system. If its good enough the US might not be able to use its ICBMs. Which would mean theyll be doing traditional warfare to try and destroy missile defence systems so they can launch.

[–] AlbigensianGhoul@lemmygrad.ml -1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

If we get nuclear Armageddon, everybody in the planet will die. There's no escaping it, we have more than enough nukes to make earth uninhabitable.

[–] Xiisadaddy@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 2 weeks ago

from what ive seen this isnt true actually. Hollywood likes to make it seem that way, but H-bombs, which pretty much all modern nukes are, are a lot less radioactive than the ones dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and you see how those places have recovered pretty quickly. Nuclear winter is just a theory, and even if it did happen it wouldn't entirely wipe us out. Some places would survive it, and people would rebuild. Now yes most people would die in a nuclear winter, and even if the winter didnt come just the bombs would kill a ton. But humanity wouldnt end.

[–] Kirbywithwhip1987@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Shoot every imperialist on sight, this stands for every nazi, racist etc.

[–] Xiisadaddy@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Also before anyone mentions the existing parties ya i know about them. They arent exactly the militant resistance id like to see tho.

[–] cfgaussian@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

A lackluster party is better than no party. Collective organizing is essential. Individualism is liberal and bourgeois.

[–] zedcell@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 2 weeks ago

Organising does not equal joining any party. Organising can also be starting your own study group that keeps in close contact with other orgs with the hopes of eventually linking up with either other study groups or merging with an existing party once everyone has hashed out a solid set of red lines for collaboration.

[–] Xiisadaddy@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 2 weeks ago

I think you guys read a bit to much into my hating on the current parties. I'm not against organizing with them for the things they do actually engage in. I just wish we had a party that was more, how do i say this without alerting a 3 letter agency, proactive. If you get my meaning.

[–] Finiteacorn@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

probably die... but otherwise do what every anti war movement has done for the last century.

[–] Xiisadaddy@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I hope there is an actual anti-war movement. I worry if there was one it would be like the march with signs, and complain type of movement with how liberal the US is.

[–] AlbigensianGhoul@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

If there's an anti-war movement, it'll be very diverse in its tactics.

[–] Xiisadaddy@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

"He has been a fugitive from justice since 1970 and his status and whereabouts are unknown." Now that i was not expecting. 哈哈哈哈哈哈哈好好好

[–] AlbigensianGhoul@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 2 weeks ago

If you look on the FBI "most wanted" page he is one of the top "fugitives" lol

[–] bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

if you're american, enlist and sabotage the army

[–] Xiisadaddy@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

I've considered this ~~(doing this in totally peaceful and definitely nice ways i mean. I'd just ask real nicely for them to stop doing genocide i swear.)~~ , but i think in order to do that youd probably have to actually kill innocent people for the US govt to maintain your cover, and im not really down for that.

[–] v_pp@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 2 weeks ago

The point of sabotage is that you don't do your job correctly

[–] bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 2 weeks ago

the army has many positions that do not have to deploy and kill people, there is a lot of maintenance engineers for example.