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Original post: https://bsky.app/profile/ssg.dev/post/3lmuz3nr62k26

Email from Bluesky in the screenshot:

Hi there,

We are writing to inform you that we have received a formal request from a legal authority in Turkey regarding the removal of your account associated with the following handle (@carekavga.bsky.social) on Bluesky.

The legal authority has claimed that this content violates local laws in Turkey. As a result, we are required to review the request in accordance with local regulations and Bluesky's policies.

Following a thorough review, we have determined that the content in question violates local laws in Turkey, as outlined in the legal request. In compliance with these legal provisions, we have restricted access to your account for users.

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[–] VampirePenguin@midwest.social 144 points 6 days ago (5 children)

Bluesky is a for-profit company that is capitalizing on the Xodus. They may be better for the time being, but the march for more and more profit will end the same as it always does. Enshittification. They are not the good guys, the fediverse is.

[–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 26 points 6 days ago

It was an obvious op from the beginning. You could tell by the people they were trotting out to sell it. Lots of liberal pro-authority types.

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 15 points 6 days ago (12 children)

They are not the good guys, the fediverse is.

I think you're overselling the Fediverse here. The Fediverse also absolutely has censorship, it's just by individual instance admins instead of a for-profit company. If large, influential instances shut down or defederate, a lot of content goes with it.

Yeah, federated instances technically cache that data, but those communities are effectively dead, links are broken, etc. Users can jump to other services, sure, but the service isn't the same.

We've seen this here on Lemmy. Beehaw was a cool instance, but they defederated fairly early on. Lemmy.ml was super impactful, but their admins are super aggressive with moderation to the point that many avoid their communities. And so on.

Whether "the Fediverse" is good depends on your instance and the mods and admins of the various communities you are part of. That kind of sucks.

Maybe it sucks less than whatever major social media network you're comparing to, but I hesitate to call it "good," just different.

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[–] index@sh.itjust.works 98 points 6 days ago

And now you know why corporations and politicians don't use mastodon

[–] ImmersiveMatthew@sh.itjust.works 157 points 6 days ago (26 children)

Funny as I got downvoted to oblivion for saying Bluesky was not really decentralized.

[–] brot@feddit.org 37 points 6 days ago (10 children)

A decentralized service like Mastodon will have the same issues when governments are knocking on the door. The turkish government totally can force all those small turkish instance admins to defederate instances who are not reacting to legal threats. And all those small admins don't have the resources to fight a lengthy legal battle against their own government

[–] buddascrayon@lemmy.world 48 points 6 days ago

The flip side of that is that instances large and small outside of the influence of the government can do as they please and people can use other means, like VPNs, to access them.

[–] orcrist@lemm.ee 36 points 6 days ago (3 children)

That's the entire point, right? Just use an instance that's in a country that's not closely allied with Turkey. Everyone knows that, right? Right?

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[–] tauren@lemm.ee 36 points 6 days ago

But they can use some other instance. With centralized platforms the issue is that they want to do business everywhere. Russia threatened to arrest Google employees in Moscow, for instance. Even without such threats, they want to have access to local markets. That isn't a concern for some instance in Ireland that is supported by donations.

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[–] cotlovan@lemm.ee 85 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Wow, all the bsky lovers are now facing the reality. None of the corpos have user's interest in mind. They only care about numbers: number of active users' data that they can sell to the highest bidder.

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[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 78 points 6 days ago (6 children)

Fake Fediverse is fake.

Fuck Turkey and fuck however they want it spelt.

[–] derin@lemmy.beru.co 27 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Re: "(...) fuck however they want it spelt."

As a Turkish person, I'm with you on this.

If the Turkish government wants you to refer to Turkey as Türkiye, then they shouldn't be allowed to call the US "Amerika Birleşik Devletleri": they should be required to pronounce it United States of America.

Let's see how they like it then, lol. "Yunayıted Sıtets af Amerika", hah.

[–] viking@infosec.pub 15 points 6 days ago (1 children)

It's also quite awkward requiring others to spell the country with letters that don't exist in most alphabets, and therefore not on commonly used keyboards.

Sure you can make use of ü and others with some international layouts, but for laypeople it's rather cumbersome.

Imagine China would suddenly require everyone spelling it as 中国, nobody would even be able pronounce it, let alone write.

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[–] samus12345@lemm.ee 15 points 6 days ago

The bird was named after the country. So if they want to be called Türkiye, that means we'll be having türkiye for Thanksgiving from now on.

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[–] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 25 points 5 days ago (15 children)

i don't get why this is shocking; if you do business in a country you have to follow local laws.

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[–] Pirata@lemm.ee 73 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (10 children)

Don't replace X with Bluesky! Go to Mastodon and other Federalised platforms. That is the only way to escape corporate-sponsored fascism.

[–] PumpUpTheJam@lemmy.world 20 points 6 days ago (10 children)

But I don't want to sit alone in a room.

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[–] huppakee@lemm.ee 17 points 6 days ago (2 children)

No offense but I think your effort is wasted on the people (already) here.

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[–] Cocopanda@futurology.today 63 points 6 days ago (1 children)

So. When ever I post my families genocide story as Armenians in The Ottoman empire. There’s always a Turk to call me a liar online. Then they get you banned from the sub because they have people injected into mod teams. Pretty disgusting experience. Also happened with Azerbaijani posters to. Interesting how deep they injected themselves in Reddit.

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[–] quack@lemmy.zip 53 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

Did anyone actually expect Bluesky to be different to any other corporate-run social media platform? What was the point of jumping from one to another?

Just more proof that FOSS and proper decentralisation (yes I know that Bluesky is technically federated but this halfway house shit they’re doing is not proper decentralisation) that are the only things that will save us.

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[–] meldrik@lemmy.wtf 47 points 6 days ago (19 children)

If only there was a decentralised alternative, that was more or less immune to this… LOL

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[–] HighFructoseLowStand@lemm.ee 31 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Watching how quickly all these companies crumble, it really is astonishing the Obama and Clinton didn't take on Fox News for all it's bullshit.

[–] samus12345@lemm.ee 18 points 6 days ago

Corpos aren't afraid of the Democrats. They own them.

[–] JigglySackles@lemmy.world 16 points 6 days ago

Empowered career democrats don't care. They are complicit with the schemes.

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[–] Wimster@lemmy.wtf 15 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Is Bluesky the next X ??? Kissing the ring of authoritarian leaders?

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[–] MuteDog@lemmy.world 23 points 6 days ago

This seems like a good place to put this meme I made a couple months ago

[–] huppakee@lemm.ee 19 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (3 children)

Can Turkey ask for any account/post to be banned regardless of where a post was written? For example, if I were to register there and called Erdogan a dictator who suppresses the Turks by breaking down the media and justice system and he is taking political prisoners; could he then ask BlueSky to get my account removed because i'm breaking a law in Turkey even though I am not in Turkey? That sounds totally crazy. Like from now on you can make laws on your citizens, your lands and all of the internet? What the fu. e: typo

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[–] Simulation6@sopuli.xyz 27 points 6 days ago (2 children)

I believe there are laws in the EU that would be violated by many rightwing posts (such as glorifying nazis in Germany). The litmus test would be if a complaint about these violations would cause an account to be banned.

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[–] Naevermix@lemmy.world 25 points 6 days ago (7 children)

What's the point of Bluesky if they're just going to bow before authoritarianism?

[–] quack@lemmy.zip 34 points 6 days ago

There isn’t one as far as I’m concerned. People moved from one corpo social media platform to another corpo social media platform thinking that the person running the former platform was the problem, when the entire model is designed to prioritise profit over human expression.

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[–] TON618@lemmy.world 24 points 6 days ago

For some reason people expect things from Bluesky but people forget Bluesky is basicly just new Twitter. There's really no reason to expect "better" from this new platform.

[–] Ravenfreak@discuss.online 6 points 5 days ago

I'm not even surprised lol. Just another reason why communities like Lemmy and forums are better than any social media platform. Man I hope the Fediverse keeps growing, the more people that see through this bs and jump ship and find us over here in the Fediverse the better.

[–] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 18 points 6 days ago (5 children)

From the wording, it looks like they're just going to georestrict their content to places that are not Turkey.

Far from a problem, unless of course, your primary following is from Turkey; or that's where you live.

I don't blame bluesky here, they operate internationally, and they have to obey the laws of the locations they operate in. Personally I'm wondering what kind of Internet posts are restricted in Turkey? Who has laws to say you can, or cannot say things on the Internet? Besides... I guess, China, and obviously illegal things like CP....

Were they posting CP?

IDK, I've never used bluesky. I barely used xitter, back when it was relevant, if I were to use anything as a replacement it would be Mastodon.

Anyways.

[–] Cliff@lemmy.world 25 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

You might consider reading some news about what is happening in Turkey right now or the last days/weeks/years.

Some Keywords that might help: Erdogan, autocracy, opposition, major of Istanbul, imprisoned journalists, ...

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[–] Bloomcole@lemmy.world 21 points 6 days ago (1 children)
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