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(Sorry, not sorry for the old yet still valid meme)

I just wanted everyone here to know that !theorville@lemmy.world has been ~~taken over~~ relaunched by me and will become an active community again!

In the name of interplanetary peace, everyone here is invited to sub if you have not already done so and to start posting whatever news/discussion/memes related to The Orville you can think of.

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[–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 7 points 11 hours ago

Five hundred cigarettes

[–] frigidaphelion@lemmy.world 17 points 15 hours ago

good god I love the orville so much

[–] GreatAlbatross@feddit.uk 17 points 18 hours ago (4 children)

I tried The Orville, but got a little put off by McFarlane as the captain.
Does this improve as the series goes on?
As I might give it another shot.

[–] frezik@midwest.social 12 points 13 hours ago

I didn't like the humor, but it tones down in each season. By season 3, the humor is about as frequent as a lighthearted TNG episode, and it's done better.

Doesn't really matter, because it's a show pretending to be satire so it could get greenlit. It's just a TNG-era Star Trek with a different coat of paint. There are a lot of places where it's doing the same plot as some other bit of Star Trek, except doing it better with more lead up across many episodes.

[–] aeronmelon@lemmy.world 25 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (2 children)

It does get better, and Ed becomes a lot less wishy-washy.

The conceit of The Orville is that it’s not the best ship in the fleet with the best crew. The Orville is an older mid-sized cruiser and the only reason Ed made Captain is because they couldn’t find enough Captains to fill out a rapidly-expanding fleet. So they gave this unimportant ship to him.

I think they spent way too much time on Ed getting over his divorce with his XO Kelly, but after that he’s fine.

As for the show itself, only the Pilot really feels like “Family Guy in space,” because that was a Trojan Horse to get the show on the air in the first place. After that, it really does become a send up to The Next Generation and the 3rd season, New Horizons, is an actual science fiction epic.

[–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 4 points 11 hours ago

I think they spent way too much time on Ed getting over his divorce with his XO Kelly, but after that he’s fine.

He gets over Kelly at some point? I can't remember if I watched 2 or 3 seasons but one of my problems with the show is how cringey and toxic he consistently is towards her. "The only way to stop me from dating this younger clone of you we came across is if you date me instead" was pretty late in the series.

I like the rest of the cast, but the captain is grating.

[–] GreatAlbatross@feddit.uk 9 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

That's a reassuring bit of info. If the in-universe explanation is that he isn't the best captain, I might give it another shot.
As my initial reaction was "has McFarlane just made himself kirk?"

[–] Taleya@aussie.zone 10 points 14 hours ago

No, he actually sidelines himself quite a bit.

[–] barneypiccolo@lemm.ee 5 points 13 hours ago

Stick with it. The first few episodes were terrible, and I was very pessimistic about it's future. Then it suddenly got better very quickly, and became nearly as good as the Star Trek series'. Its gotten even better as time went on. Im looking forward to its return.

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[–] teft@lemmy.world 93 points 1 day ago (1 children)

My face when I realize the crossover meming potential:

[–] aeronmelon@lemmy.world 50 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The Orville was sweet justice for Penny Johnson Jerald as an actor. She has been so good and used so well as Doctor Finn.

[–] negativenull@lemmy.world 56 points 1 day ago (3 children)

[–] Taleya@aussie.zone 3 points 3 hours ago

God this is perf for that "time is linear" "i'll make your arse linear" community mashup. Inception that shit.

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[–] AlexisBlackbird@lemmy.ca 71 points 1 day ago (13 children)

Discovery gets more hate then it deserves, but The Orville is certainly more of a Star Trek show. I'm glad I stuck out the rough start (which is on brand for a Star Trek show lol)

[–] frigidaphelion@lemmy.world 5 points 15 hours ago

I respectfully disagree, discovery is a truly awful star trek installment. However I respect your opinion.

[–] fyzzlefry@retrolemmy.com 11 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Strange new worlds is legit though

[–] AlexisBlackbird@lemmy.ca 6 points 16 hours ago

SNW is great. It is such a pure distillation of Star Trek

I don't really like the gorn plotline, but it's the show I recommend as a first for new Trekkies

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 44 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

Discovery gets more hate then it deserves

I think the problem is the writers clearly had a show that they wanted and for some bizarre reason they decided that it was also going to be a Star Trek show even though they clearly didn't actually want it to be Star Trek.

If they just made it its own thing it would have been fine, but all this Star Trek lore kept popping up and then they had to come up with some hand wavy explanation for why their particular vision doesn't fit established canon, and the whole thing just didn't work as a result.

I would have been totally down for a "magic exists alongside the sci-fi technology" show. There's a lot they could have done with that concept, but then for some reason they kept trying to introduce Klingons into it.

[–] barneypiccolo@lemm.ee 3 points 13 hours ago

I'm so sick of Klingons.

[–] T156@lemmy.world 4 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (1 children)

I'd argue that it was hurt by specifically trying to fit TNG-era Star Trek, or people expecting that of it.

It would have worked perfectly fine as a TOS/TAS show, since they never really shied away from there being unexplainable magic with the science out in the universe. Witches, wizards, and the devil are all real, and one universe away, so too is actual magic.

Whereas TNG and post-TNG would always try and hammer that into the work of a godlike entity such as a Q, or some grounded science. Q abilities are the work of highly sophisticated subspace interactions that have yet to be technologically replicated. There are particular neurotransmitters, psychology, and brain structures involved in telepathy, and it's not simple ESP/psionics.

And people wanted the latter. This is most notable with the cause of the Burn. People hated it because the idea of a child being able to psionically disrupt dilithium galaxy-wide would have been silly in TNG, without them being a child Q, or something like that.

But as a TOS/TAS plot, it fits in fine. Lazarus briefly caused the entire universe to blink out of existence, and Charlie X, due to the powers bestowed upon him needed to keep him alive, could explode ships either his mind, and would have destroyed the Federation if left unchecked.

TL;DR: It worked as Trek, but people basically wanted TNG and got TOS.

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 4 points 13 hours ago

I find that's a fairly reasonable assesment of 'science' versus 'magic' sensibility, but the main thing for me is that the arc concept due to the modern "binge" sensibilities is rough.

When Babylon 5 and DS9 did arcs, they did so carefully embedded in generally episodic series (people couldn't "binge", maybe you would tape it if you felt like it, but people weren't always that engaged, so you catered to people that may miss some of your airings). So you had nice, digestable pieces and the underlying big thing plays out a bit at a time sometimes taking over for 2 or 3 episodes, but generally letting other smaller stories take the foreground for the episode.

But with "binge mentality", there's an inclination for showrunners to go nuts. Picard and Discovery produce a season that is pretty much just one story. The story doesn't have enough meat to really drive that much runtime, but they make the pacing pretty torturous to fill the time. Also, with episodic, if you don't like a particular story/execution, you kind of forget it because there's a whole new story with new execution the next week. When you have a season you don't like, well that's harder to overlook.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 25 points 1 day ago (17 children)

but then for some reason they kept trying to introduce Klingons into it.

Ones with a third different head shape, no less!

[–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 1 points 11 hours ago

Ones with a third different head shape, no less!

And long drawn out subtitled scenes for some reason.

In TNG when Klingons are talking on a Klingon ship I don't think they're actually speaking English. I understand they are speaking their native language and it is being translated for me. I don't know why Discovery thought this was the place to go for "realism".

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[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 32 points 1 day ago

Scenery: repainted ikea furniture

vulcan / doctor / kirk: check

All extraterrestrial planets are shot in the back lot: check

Well, everything seems to be acceptable here.

[–] ripcord@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They need to make more Orvilles.

[–] FlyingSpaceCow@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

They are! https://imdb.com/news/ni64745287/

[–] dan69@lemmy.world 25 points 1 day ago (9 children)

Excited for s4 oville!

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[–] wise_pancake@lemmy.ca 20 points 1 day ago

Farscape: any chance you could send O’Brian over for some pure jet fuel?

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