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[-] robocall@lemmy.world 286 points 1 year ago

As an American, I'd like the US to end it's embargo on Cuba.

[-] Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 130 points 1 year ago

Well the US isn't a democracy so our votes don't matter.

[-] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 41 points 1 year ago

Democracy index has it listed as a flawed democracy at 7.85. The cutoff for a hybrid regime is 6.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Economist_Democracy_Index

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[-] Son_of_dad@lemmy.world 107 points 1 year ago

People can freely travel to places like Saudi Arabia but somehow Cuba still on embargo

[-] jmcs@discuss.tchncs.de 41 points 1 year ago

The difference is that Saudi dissidents aren't a significant voting block in any US state.

[-] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 23 points 1 year ago

Still we've been attacked in multiple ways by the Saudis but not Cuba.

fuck the power of oil

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[-] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 38 points 1 year ago

You can thank the orange baby for cancelling all progress made by Obama, I'm surprised Biden didn't start normalizing relations again...

[-] Sarmyth@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago

I hadn't even realized we reverted back. I remember Obama starting to normalize relationships with Cuba, but hadn't read anything since.

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Biden is a warm blanket of piss of a Democrat, don't expect too much from his administration

[-] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 31 points 1 year ago

I mean, by non-US Western standards the USA has never elected someone further left than center right so even Obama wasn't very progressive either...

[-] ansiz@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I would argue that Carter was, he was even pro solar energy back during his presidency. He got screwed by the whiplash from previous administrations economic policy and got all the blame, so that really framed his time in office. It's only recently that people have really started looking at his tenure differently.

Just to add https://theconversation.com/jimmy-carter-in-cuba-46109

[-] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 year ago

Yeah I guess he's the exception, too bad he was sandwiched between Ford and Reagan...

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[-] FireTower@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago

I agree, there's little to no benefit in making an enemy out of Cuba.

[-] jmcs@discuss.tchncs.de 18 points 1 year ago

There's a bunch of votes in Florida on the line. What I don't understand is why Democrats care, since they aren't getting most of them anyway.

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[-] febra@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

Well, you see, the "good" part is that your opinion doesn't matter to the US government, if it makes you feel any better. Most Americans don't support many things, yet they still have to live with the decisions of a small elitist group that have hijacked power.

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[-] Backspacecentury@kbin.social 60 points 1 year ago

That’s pretty wild actually. Can’t imagine that many of these votes are near unanimous.

[-] Zehzin@lemmy.world 58 points 1 year ago
[-] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

That one, and a bunch of other "common sense measures," was/were because of internal US laws. I don't agree with it, but the delegate has/had their hands tied because of our laws regarding the sovereignty of the US. Israel was just voting whatever way the US does, cause, again, their hands are tied politically.

[-] Zehzin@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Sounds like internal US laws are a bunch of bullshit that are causing harm to people all over the world including the US

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[-] key@lemmy.keychat.org 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It's actually quite common. Most votes have 3 digits voting for and single digit against. A few only have 1 vote against. The thing distinct about this vote is that it usually has the highest "turnout" with only a few abstaining/non-voting countries. They've done this same vote almost every year for decades so it's become a tradition.

[-] gregorum@lemm.ee 42 points 1 year ago
[-] Pectin8747@lemmy.ml 44 points 1 year ago

The US will do everything in its power to dismantle socialism and convince people that it "doesn't work" (just ignore how much work they put in to dismantle it)

[-] scytale@lemm.ee 31 points 1 year ago

Scratching each other’s backs.

[-] shalafi@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago

Being nice to Cuba would cost a shitload of Cuban votes in Florida. Florida was, and is still close to, a swing state.

What candidate is going to a) risk losing Florida's 30 Electoral College votes and b) get called a socialist, and for what gain? It sucks, but here we are.

[-] Lmaydev@programming.dev 20 points 1 year ago

I really don't understand what America gets out of the embargo?

Maybe someone more knowledgeable on the subject can chime in.

It just feels like being a dick for no reason at this point.

[-] FireTower@lemmy.world 39 points 1 year ago

I looked it up it seems like Cuban Americans tend to support the embargo, as a means of combating the Cuban government. Lots of Cuban Americans were forced to flee Cuba do to how the government were treating them under Castro. So the embargo was meant to act as a means of changing Cuba's government.

These Cuban Americans make up a significant amount of Floridians, a state who is very important during presidential campaigns. So candidates tend to want to appease them. It sounds like in recent year there's increasingly Cuban American support for lifting the embargo though.

TLDR: Cuban Americans who fled the Cuban government don't like the Cuban government very much & they vote.

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[-] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago

If socialism succeeds on America’s doorstep, it will give American citizens…ideas.

[-] catboss@feddit.de 15 points 1 year ago

Best friends forever

[-] gedaliyah@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

Does anyone know what the embargo really accomplishes? Why is there so consistent opposition in the USA? Does Cuba actually represent any threat?

[-] FireTower@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago

TLDR: Cuban Americans who fled Cuba tend to support sanctions on the government they fled. And no other group really is fighting to remove the embargo.

[-] Grumpy@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 year ago

The embargo acts as an example to everyone else not to fuck with USA oil. Because if you do, they'll be super petty and make you miserable until the end of time.

[-] RedAggroBest@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

The embargo is old-school US punishment. It fucks over their ability to do business in the US, which means no banking, data centers, and much more. This is incredibly inconvenient for Cuba but hasn't meant as much as other LA countries have developed.

This is, of course, initially in response to the Cuban govt nationalizing the primarily US-owned oil industry.

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