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[-] cron@feddit.de 148 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

After widening was completed in 2008, a portion of the highway west of Houston is now also believed to be the widest in the world, at 26 lanes when including feeders. - (Wikipedia)

WTF

[-] thatwill@lemmy.world 118 points 1 year ago

And despite the extra lanes, it's still gridlocked. Maybe they need just one more lane...

[-] whou@lemmy.ml 61 points 1 year ago

"I SWEAR BRO JUST ONE MORE LANE, ONE MORE LANE WILL BE ENOUGH!!!"

[-] DrQuint@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago

Unironically a single bike lane off to the side might have eased up traffic.

[-] cron@feddit.de 26 points 1 year ago

one more ~~lane~~ train rail

[-] darvocet@infosec.pub 17 points 1 year ago

I e moved out of Houston but if i recall correctly they also removed the rail line that was adjacent to this highway for the expansion.

There was a killer hamburger place off like Gessner that i still miss.

[-] cron@feddit.de 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

An old railway running along the north side of the freeway was demolished in 2002 in preparation for construction which began in 2004.

Form the wiki article linked above

[-] notacat@mander.xyz 15 points 1 year ago

Is Houston aware that some cities pay hundreds of millions of dollars to install a rail line to address this exact problem?

[-] njordomir@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

Disused rail lines are a RoW life raft for American cities. I cycle in a very hilly area and rail trails and trails along waterways have nicely mild grades compared to the rest of the state. Electric trams could easily co-exist with a cycle path next to them. I just hope we're smart enough to recognize these chunks of land as a gift from the past and not give them up or develop them inappropriately (aka freeway expansions)

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[-] luciole@beehaw.org 21 points 1 year ago

Looks a bit jammed on the photo though. I'm sure one more lane will fix that. /s

[-] DJDarren@beehaw.org 13 points 1 year ago

Just. One. More. Lane. Brooooo

[-] Thisisforfun@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

That sounds like extremely bad planning. In essence they could have had several smaller highways that better suited the needs of the users without forcing them all onto this clusterfuck.

[-] ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 32 points 1 year ago

Highway planners are constrained by the fact that these roads can only be run through poor and usually black neighborhoods.

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[-] Blamemeta@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

Includes the express lanes and the frontage roads. It really shouldn't, you aren't supposed to just drive the entire trip on the frontage roads.

[-] WalrusDragonOnABike@kbin.social 11 points 1 year ago

Meaning it's even wider than 26 lanes because of the space between the feeder and the highway, the extra shoulders, and barriers to the express lanes.

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[-] Aopen@discuss.tchncs.de 60 points 1 year ago

This will soon become top 100 most popular photos. Its synonymous with car dependency and post WWII American urban planning

[-] muad_dibber@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 1 year ago

Also, this one. Insane traffic in Los Angeles, 1993.

Future ppl are truly going to consider this time a dystopia.

[-] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 50 points 1 year ago

Government offloaded transportation onto individuals and parking onto business, now everyone is worse off.

[-] utopianfiat@lemmy.world 36 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The Federal Highway Administration has a multi-billion dollar budget, and doesn't include the multi-billion dollar budget each state allocates to their state highway departments, or the multi-million dollar budget most large cities allocate to their streets and highways departments, and many cities unconditionally grant valuable street real estate to individuals to park for free.

It's not an anarchocapitalist conspiracy, it's a massive subsidy for motor vehicle owners.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/chrisladd/2017/03/13/unspeakable-realities-block-universal-health-coverage-in-the-us/

[-] BoneALisa@lemm.ee 23 points 1 year ago

bUt pUBliC tRanSpOrTAtiOn nEeDs tO mAkE a pROfiT

[-] Mikina@programming.dev 37 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

How common/usable is subway in bigger cities? Here in Prague we have an amazing public transport, even with priority lanes for buses at some places and most importantly a pretty decent subway. I've never had an issue getting anywhere around the city in a short time (I can get anywhere in the city within 1.5 hour max (that is including suburbs around Prague), around 30 mins to places around the center), and the cost of an unlimited year-long ticket is just 150EUR.

[-] GTG3000@programming.dev 24 points 1 year ago

Oil and automotive companies literally tore most of public transport out in US way back when.
They would invest into the local tram companies, buy them out, then close and tear out the lines.

[-] Rognaut@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago

Public transportation in the US is at best, an afterthought. A lot of major cities have buses/trolleys but not many have trains/subways. Only the largest cities have a workable public trans system such as New York, Chicago, San Francisco.

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[-] GiddyGap@lemm.ee 16 points 1 year ago

In the US, public transportation is pretty much unusable in bigger cities except for NYC.

America has this weird, masochistic relationship with cars that just gridlocks everyone. But "FreEdoM."

[-] notnotmike@programming.dev 11 points 1 year ago

One potential reason posited by The 1619 Project is due to white Americans moving out of metro areas after WW2 in order to "escape" black residents. Then, they restricted expansion of public transportation development to those areas because making them more accessible and usable would potentially result in a influx of poorer, black residents who can't afford a car to commute to the suburbs.

The specific example they used is Atlanta, which has staunch racial lines, horrible public transport, and some of the worst traffic in America. They make a very compelling case.

Here is the relevant New York Times article about it and it's Chapter 16 in the actual book

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[-] zephyreks@lemmy.ca 15 points 1 year ago

It's insanely bad. Hell, Canada has shown that public transit is viable with the North American development model, but the US simply refuses to invest money into public works.

Vancouver SkyTrain and Montreal REM/Metro are both fast, highly efficient subway systems that are able to navigate single-family housing development. Why can't the US?

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[-] 80085@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

Not many U.S. cities have a subway. I think the only substantial subway system is in NYC. The city I live in has a very short commuter rail line that doesn't go to/from anywhere people want to go. Buses are gridlocked in traffic like everyone else, and have to make frequent stops, so it can take something like 2 hours to travel 10 miles. The low-wage workers I know without vehicles just spend $40/day on Uber to commute to work and back (which is a significant percentage of their pay).

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[-] masterairmagic@sh.itjust.works 36 points 1 year ago

4chan can be surprisingly perceptive sometimes.

[-] Necronomicommunist@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago

Broken clock, etc

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[-] cloudy1999@sh.itjust.works 30 points 1 year ago

Ah ha! I see the problem. It looks like more lanes may be needed.

[-] Ironfist@sh.itjust.works 29 points 1 year ago

But you dont get it, managers need you at the office so they can feel important. You just need to lose 3 hours of your day, spend more money and pollute more, STOP BEING SELFISH!

[-] muad_dibber@lemmygrad.ml 28 points 1 year ago

This reminds me of Andre Gorz - the social ideology of the motor car . Essentially:

The invention of the personal automobile, and destruction of public transportation, was a triumph of capitalist drug-peddling; suddenly, all at once, everyone's personal mobility became dependent on a single, new commodity, gasoline. Without it, we are unable to function, since urban sprawl and suburbanization now means we can't even walk to work if we wanted to.

And going by time, by spreading everything out, it ended up taking the same amount of time to get to work, in 1900 as in 1980.

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[-] BattleBeetle@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago

I still can't get over how two lanes wide rail system can be more efficient than whatever I'm seeing now.

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[-] Gnubyte@lemdit.com 24 points 1 year ago

That gave me a good chuckle.

It's odd how we've commoditized such selfishly resource hungry transportation. I like walking to stuff as long as where I live is safe.

[-] m3m3lord@lemmy.ca 17 points 1 year ago

This is true. Commuting in an urban or suburban environment should be significantly easier than it currently is. Public infrastructure needs to improve and become less car-centric. That being said, if you live in a rural area or a small town where there is very little traffic, or if you need to pick up groceries for your family of 4+, cars are needed. People in anti-car communities do not like to hear this, but I do not think cars should be criticized for merely existing. Current infrastructure should be criticized for only considering them. I think that while holding on to the idea that car=bad is fun, it also sours people who genuinely rely on cars to the movement and limits what actual progress could be made by these communities to make walkable cities a reality. Thank you for listening to my ted talk.

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[-] Wild_Mastic@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

This shit is pure madness

[-] cobra89@beehaw.org 11 points 1 year ago

The answer is because local governments prioritized cars over streetcars and public transportation:

The real problem was that once cars appeared on the road, they could drive on streetcar tracks — and the streetcars could no longer operate efficiently. "Once just 10 percent or so of people were driving, the tracks were so crowded that [the streetcars] weren't making their schedules," Norton says.

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[-] tram1@programming.dev 10 points 1 year ago

> Me playing Cities: Skylines

[-] MonsieurArchi@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago
[-] ICastFist@programming.dev 12 points 1 year ago

Yeah, because biking 35km soon after waking up, then another 35km after work, is super easy for sedentary people /s

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[-] general_kitten@sopuli.xyz 9 points 1 year ago

in most parts of us that is not an option any sane person would choose

[-] eestileib@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 year ago

I did that until I got hit. I'm not willing to die to get to work.

When I had an actual separated bike path, though, it was wonderful.

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[-] egeres@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

Brooooooo just one more lane, just one more lane bro, I promise, just one more lane, please, pls pls, one more lane 🥺

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