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Framasoft, the devs of PeerTube and other projects, are doing an AMA over on !opensource@lemmy.ml - check it out! (lemmyverse.link)
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[–] asudox@lemmy.asudox.dev 18 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

I sent a PM regarding this. Hopefully they'll respond and cross post the AMA post to other communities.

edit:

Hi!

Thanks for noticing us for the concerns about lemmy.ml.

Unfortunately, it's a bit late to cross-post it now (We didn't ask to these specific communities for the AMA and we would need to check different links, I guess).

There are still a lot of Mastodon servers federated with Lemmy.ml so that can be a way to reach this AMA anyway.

We'll think about lemmy.ml concerns for the next time!

Thanks again!

Well. I guess y'all have to wait for another AMA.

[–] Blaze@piefed.social 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If people want a change, they can make !opensource@programming.dev the most active community so that next time it becomes the de facto community

[–] cm0002@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

I'm trying! Lmao

[–] cm0002@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

I wish there was Lemmy gold for these kinds of comments, so uh take this cookie instead: 🍪

[–] gigachad@sh.itjust.works 17 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Well I blocked lemmy.ml, so no AMA for me :S

[–] lambalicious@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You can just unblock it temporarily.

Or connect from an account in another instance (or directly from an account in .ml).

[–] gigachad@sh.itjust.works 16 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That is true, but I don't want to interact with the instance in any way.

[–] lambalicious@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Why? There are awesome communities there. Also Firefox, but they've long since fallen below "awesome".

[–] gigachad@sh.itjust.works 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I know, especially open source communities! But I am a political person, and instance moderators heavily defending authoritarian countries such as North Korea and Russia is a hard no go for me. So instead I try to engage in alternative communities on other instances, even if they are very small or sadly do not exist at all.

[–] lambalicious@lemmy.sdf.org -2 points 23 hours ago (3 children)

Would you be okay with a US instance then, for example? They have couped, bombed or invaded only 48 countries so far (including mine). Or perhaps an European instance! They invaded both Africa and America and particioned them nicely as well as exercised a bit of genocide, as a treat.

[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 7 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

Their issue isn't with the geographic location the server is hosted in

They are talking about the unreconcialable differences between authoritarianists and leftist

.ml excuses dictatorships and genocide for "the cause", despite their cause being the continuation of fascist dictatorships.

[–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 6 points 22 hours ago

If the instance is focused around defending and enabling our fascists. Then everyone should object the same. That it just exists in the US isn't the same thing and besides the point.

[–] cm0002@lemmy.world -1 points 1 day ago

Here's a recap post from a few weeks ago

[–] nesc@lemmy.cafe 20 points 2 days ago (1 children)

lemmy.ml

🥴

[–] Blaze@piefed.social 15 points 2 days ago

Lemmy.ml is still the de facto for some topics.

There is !opensource@programming.dev as an alternative, but you can't fault Framasoft for not having enough knowledge of the Lemmy lore to pick that community over the .ml one

[–] Fitik@fedia.io 16 points 2 days ago (2 children)

.ml huh? A controversial instance that is defederated from mine, oh well

[–] Blaze@piefed.social 14 points 2 days ago

Lemmy.ml is still the de facto for some topics.

There is !opensource@programming.dev as an alternative, but you can't fault Framasoft for not having enough knowledge of the Lemmy lore to pick that community over the .ml one

[–] lambalicious@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Just connect directly from a .ml account or from an instance where .ml is not blocked. That's the beauty of the Fediverse: you can reach someone for the useful stuff they do, not not-reach them because people do not like the neighbourhood where they are established.

[–] Fitik@fedia.io 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I know that I can, I been on the Fediverse for a while, but I would prefer not to interact with it in any way possible

[–] lambalicious@lemmy.sdf.org -1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Oh? What instance, or rather, what instance country, would you prefer?

[–] Fitik@fedia.io 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Any instance that is not part of the tankie triad? lemm.ee , lemmy.world, even your's lemmy.sdf.org , I don't mind any of them, and they are not aligned with any specific political ideologies unlike .ml

what instance country

I didn't think about this, but they're a French company, so maybe they could do it on the French instance? But I don't it matters much

[–] lambalicious@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 1 day ago

I didn’t think about this, but they’re a French company, so maybe they could do it on the French instance?

...Actually it would make more sense yeah and it would help raise awareness of other issues by the sidelines, given European servers are also being made subject to jerky stuff.

[–] kplaceholder@lemmy.ml -4 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

I am fucking impressed. Even something as neutral as an announcement of an AMA hosted by a small group of FOSS developers on the flagship instance of the third most popular fedi platform is also overriden by this obsession to turn the fediverse into a turf war.

There is only one side of this massive waste of time of an argument that is obsessed with suppressing differing points of view, and it's not "tankies". There are way too many meta threads where users from 2 or 3 instances act like rabid monkeys slinging shit at everything if so much as someone has casually mentioned Marx in their general direction at some point in history. Even if a thread is not meant to be meta, there is a high % chance that the discussion has devolved into this. Some users really cannot think or discuss anything else. But because they override entire discussions, sometimes blocking them just leaves threads empty (see, for example, the present thread). At this point it's pathetic, and makes me want to stop using Lemmy altogether.

It is also even more frustrating having seen the "lemmy.ml is a tankie instance" campaign be fabricated in real time the exact moment .world defeded grad because, otherwise, how are we going to pretend we are being censored and manipulated by a nebulous communist authority at the point of the 21st century where liberalism has openly turned to fascism across the entire Global North?

Idk, if I were some "red-fash" dictator wannabe making a website, I wouldn't consider it a very good idea to make it open and federated to anyone who wants it no questions asked, and then letting the flagship instance federate with other instances that openly justify US-backed genocides and have included it in their rules that even implying sympathy towards genocided people will get you banned. Oh well, then you will pull some "whatabout" concern trolling involving the Uyghur people that you will literally not mention anywhere else other than to justify this pointless goal.

I'm sorry my comment is not on topic. I don't care particularly about Framasoft other than respecting the work they do. No other comment in this thread, as of the time of writing, is on topic either, as y'all can't stop obsessing about this turf war.

[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 5 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (1 children)

Tankies thinking they own and dominate the fediverse isn't a "turf war"

It's ideological incompatibility with the actual userbase.

Fuck .ml and their dictator worshipping troll farm behavior.

A lot of people would be interested in participating in the AmA, but .ml had to ruin their own instance, so now people don't want to use their space.

[–] kplaceholder@lemmy.ml 0 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Tankies don't own or pretend to own the Fediverse. Y'all literally made up an ill-defined strawman group so that you can immediately dismiss anyone critical of liberal thought because you heard someone else say "China good actually" once.

The Fediverse itself is predicated on the idea of having social spaces on the Internet away from corporate control and the logics of capitalism. The userbase, which you are so dishonestly weaponizing here to make a false claim, is consequently filled to the brim with LGBT people, neurodivergent people, furries, and overall people who is at the very least not satisfied with the system. It's not at all surprising that a few of these platforms are developed by explicitly leftist groups. Marxism is just one of the lenses through which you can understand how corporate abuse permeates our lives at all levels.

This kind of hysteria about the .ml instance is entirely fabricated. You'd be pressed to find this "dictator worshipping behavior" you are talking about, but that didn't prevent you from crying about .ml. You can find, however, people arguing that, for example, Russia existing keeps the US in check so it cannot spread its terror as effectively, but this is really far from worshipping Putin, despite how y'all like to pretend. Not that .ml has a particularly leftist userbase either; this kind of opinions are very common elsewhere, on Mastodon, or among non-English speakers, or God forbid, offline. Go ahead and provide that one transphobic DM by Nutomic if you want.

Y'all anti-tankie shitcriers ruined it for yourselves. Despite the Lemmy devs being professed marxist-leninists, they have kept the flagship instance widely federated and took a mostly permissive approach to moderation, only banning things such as blatant transphobia or genocide apologia (Despite how much y'all like to pretend that .ml users are genocide apologists!).

I'd argue that the side attempting to dominate the fediverse is the minority that keeps trying to defederate one of the most populous instances, the main one no less, because of some nebulous claims about .ml users somehow all defending China or whatever dumb criteria you want to use to define "tankie" at any given point.

[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 1 points 14 hours ago

The thing about strawmen is they don't exist.

The idiots that earned .ml the label of tankie are real and clearly stated the garbage ideals that got them ostricized.

Stop licking authoritarian boot please it's extremely cringe

[–] gamer@lemm.ee 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I hope this doesn't mean that the PeerTube devs are tankies too

[–] rumimevlevi -4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Why slurs like that are accepted? People have the right to like communism principles. It doesn"t mean every one who support that support autoritarian regime. Communism ideology is stateless

[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 6 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (1 children)

You absolutely know it's not the communism that people have a problem with.

It's the authoritarianism, the dick sucking of dictators.

That's why people differentiate between communists and tankies.

[–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 5 points 19 hours ago

You and I often disagree. But not today. Well said.

[–] gamer@lemm.ee 3 points 1 day ago

Lol you must be new around here. The .ml people are certified tankies.

[–] Cris_Color@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Any chance we could get a normal link too? My client doesn't like the Lemmyverse redirect link

[–] AbnormalHumanBeing@lemmy.abnormalbeings.space 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Sure:

https://lemmy.world/post/30376256 should work for you.

!opensource@lemmy.ml - should work for anyone that isn't defederated, it should be the top post at the moment there.

[–] Cris_Color@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

Thank you! 😊

[–] Blaze@piefed.social 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

!opensource@lemmy.ml

[–] Cris_Color@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

Thank you! 😊

[–] highduc@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 day ago (2 children)

All these "concerned" asshole loser libs in this thread shouting "tankies".
Guess what lemmy devs are leftists.
If you don't like that you can fuck off right back to reddit.

[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 5 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

Well that's good to hear, because if they were tankies that would be cringe as hell

Good thing they don't bootlick for authoritarians like .ml

[–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 7 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Ah, yes yes that old chestnut. Everyone else is the problem not you. People have legitimate problems with your instance and its administrators. Don't pretend for a moment that if server focused on a different authoritarian ideology opposed to yours was the host. That you wouldn't object either, despite the hypocrisy. You're on Lemmy.ml not Lemmy.org. At least the rest of us can be consistent in our stance.

[–] froufox@lemmy.blahaj.zone -2 points 2 days ago

PeerTube is the best work of Miyazaki, truly a pinnacle of the souls-like genre