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Need to let loose a primal scream without collecting footnotes first? Have a sneer percolating in your system but not enough time/energy to make a whole post about it? Go forth and be mid: Welcome to the Stubsack, your first port of call for learning fresh Awful you’ll near-instantly regret.

Any awful.systems sub may be subsneered in this subthread, techtakes or no.

If your sneer seems higher quality than you thought, feel free to cut’n’paste it into its own post — there’s no quota for posting and the bar really isn’t that high.

The post Xitter web has spawned soo many “esoteric” right wing freaks, but there’s no appropriate sneer-space for them. I’m talking redscare-ish, reality challenged “culture critics” who write about everything but understand nothing. I’m talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. They’re inescapable at this point, yet I don’t see them mocked (as much as they should be)

Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldn’t be surgeons because they didn’t believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I can’t escape them, I would love to sneer at them.

(Credit and/or blame to David Gerard for starting this. Also, happy Pride :3)

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[–] aio@awful.systems 5 points 5 days ago

This week the WikiMedia Foundation tried to gather support for adding LLM summaries to the top of every Wikipedia article. The proposal was overwhelmingly rejected by the community, but the WMF hasn't gotten the message, saying that the project has been "paused". It sounds like they plan to push it through regardless.

[–] o7___o7@awful.systems 8 points 6 days ago

Off topic: really enjoying Mike Duncan's Revolutions podcast at the moment. Listened to the French Revolution and am now in the midst of the July Revolution.

[–] blakestacey@awful.systems 4 points 5 days ago
[–] blakestacey@awful.systems 4 points 6 days ago

A student put on some Internet radio station for background music at the end-of-semester barbecue, so I heard a Grammarly ad. In related news, I now long for the sweet embrace of a peat bog.

https://bsky.app/profile/tomdellaringa.bsky.social/post/3lr4djpa4zc2t

https://bsky.app/profile/dennisbhooper.bsky.social/post/3lr4lyaxmkc2b

[–] saucerwizard@awful.systems 29 points 1 week ago (6 children)

OT: I GOT THE JOB HOLY SHIT

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[–] mirrorwitch@awful.systems 24 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (6 children)

Please let me commiserate my miserable misery, Awful dot Systems. So the other day I was flirting with this person—leftie, queer, sexy terrorist vibes, just my type—and asked if they had any plans for the weekend, and they said like, "will be stuck in the lab trying to finish a report lol". They are an academic in an area related to biomedicine, I don't want to get more specific than that. Wanting to be there for emotional support I invited them to talk about their research if they wanted to. The person said,

"Oh I am paying for MULTIPLE CHATGPT ACCOUNTS that I'm using to handle the", I swear to Gods I'm not making this up, "MATHLAB CODE, but I keep getting basic errors, like wrong variable names stuff like that, so I have to do a lot of editing and…". Desperate emphases mine.

And at this point I was literally speechless. I was having flashbacks of back in 2016 when it was this huge scandal that 1 in 5 papers in genetics had data errors because they used Microsoft Excel and it would ‘smartly’ mangle tokens like SEPT2 into a date-time cell. The field has since evolved, of course (=they threw in the towel and renamed the gene to SEPTIN2, and similarly for other tokens that Excel gets too smart about). I was having ominous visions of what the entirety body of published scientific data is about to become.

I considered how otherwise cool this person was and whether I should start a gentle argument, but all I could say was "haha yeah, mathlab is hard".

I feel like a complete and utter blowhard saying this, but now that I told you the story I have no other choice but to blurt it out: I am no longer flirting with this person.

[–] YourNetworkIsHaunted@awful.systems 11 points 1 week ago (2 children)

A) "Why pay for ChatGPT when you could get a math grad student (or hell an undergrad for some of the basics) to do it for a couple of craft beers? If you find an applied math student they'd probably help out just for the joy of being acknowledged." -My wife

B) I had not known about the cluster fuck of 2016, but I can't believe it was easier for the entire scientific establishment to rename a gene than to get Microsoft to introduce an option to disable automatic date detection, a feature that has never been actually useful enough to justify the amount it messes things up. I mean, I can believe it, butI it's definitely on the list of proofs that we are not in God's chosen timeline.

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[–] rook@awful.systems 17 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (5 children)

Little table of “ai fluency” from zapier via linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/wadefoster_how-do-we-measure-ai-fluency-at-zapier-activity-7336442774650556416-nKND

(original source https://old.mermaid.town/@Kymberly/114635617736977394)

The author says it isn’t a requirements checklist, but it does have a column marked “unacceptable”, containing gems like

Calls Al coding assistants too risky

Has never tested Al-generated code

Relies only on Stack Overflow snippets

Angry goose meme: what was the ai code generator trained on, motherfucker?

I'm sure it's a complete coincidence that the people who think it's impossible to program without StackOverflow are the same people trying to shame us for not being LLM enjoyers.

[–] Architeuthis@awful.systems 16 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Engineering/Adoptive: Adds eval tests to flag hallucinations

Oh look another one who secretly solved hallucinations.

[–] swlabr@awful.systems 15 points 1 week ago

Ah yes show me a senior engineer that writes tests for their intern’s code. So productive. Much ROI

[–] swlabr@awful.systems 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Fractal sneer!!! I’m spinning out reading this. Every fucking pixel of this is cursed

[–] antifuchs@awful.systems 14 points 1 week ago

Even the color scheme is the HN theme, looks like

[–] dovel@awful.systems 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I wonder where Edsger Dijkstra would fall in this table.

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[–] Architeuthis@awful.systems 17 points 1 week ago

EA Star Wars pitch

image transcriptionZach Weinersmith skeeted: Movie idea:

Effective Altruism Star Wars, in which it's OK to be a Sith as long as the majority of your earnings go through vetted charities.

‪Plod‬ skeeted: And when the Death Star explodes it's due to fraudulant accounting

‪tiedoton‬ skeeted: Building endless swaths of droids that do nothing but continuously experience bliss to offset any suffering caused by the Empire.

Not sure if that would be done by the Empire or the Rebellion

[–] nightsky@awful.systems 17 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Also, happy Pride :3

Yes, happy pride month everyone!

I've decided that this year I'm going to be more open about this and wear a pride bracelet whenever I go in public this month. Including for (remote) work meetings where nobody knows... wonder if anyone will notice.

Hell yeah!

Seems there's a lot of buzz about pride month this year. I've been to one pride parade as a teen and have approximately zero LGBT fashion items, but solidarity and visibility seems more important in recent years. I should find a necklace with trans flag colors or something.

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[–] rook@awful.systems 14 points 1 week ago (2 children)

For those of you who haven’t already seen it, r/accelerate is banning users who think they’ve talked to an AI god.

https://www.404media.co/pro-ai-subreddit-bans-uptick-of-users-who-suffer-from-ai-delusions/

There’s some optimism from the redditors that the LLM folk will patch the problem out (“you must be prompting it wrong”), but assume that they somehow just don’t know about the issue yet.

As soon as the companies realise this, red team it and patch the LLMs it should stop being a problem. But it's clear that they're not aware of the issue enough right now.

There’s some dubious self-published analysis which coined the term “neural howlround” to mean some sort of undesirable recursive behaviour in LLMs that I haven’t read yet (and might not, because it sounds like cultspeak) and may not actually be relevant to the issue.

It wraps up with a surprisingly sensible response from the subreddit staff.

Our policy is to quietly ban those users and not engage with them, because we're not qualified and it never goes well.

AI boosters not claiming expertise in something, or offloading the task to an LLM? Good news, though surprising.

[–] dgerard@awful.systems 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

reddit sneerclub had some of those. I deleted the comments and banned the users with "sorry, we really aren't equipped to help you"

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[–] fullsquare@awful.systems 10 points 1 week ago

damn we've got cyberpsychos before gta 6

[–] gerikson@awful.systems 14 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

This FT post about the VC ghouls getting blindsided by daddies Elon and Trump fighting is pretty entertaining

https://www.ft.com/content/df15f13d-310f-47a5-89ed-330a6a379068

https://archive.is/cKxyV

David Friedberg, a co-host of the All-In podcast that often features Musk and that has become a sounding board for the Trump-aligned tech world, suggested there was a broader cost to America from the spat between the US president and the Tesla boss. “China just won,” he posted.

Behind the scenes, prominent Silicon Valley figures were desperately trying to prevent Musk from appearing on an emergency episode of the podcast, according to two people familiar with the matter, out of concern that the billionaire would make the dispute even worse and poison the relationship with tech’s most powerful ally in Washington, vice-president JD Vance.

L. O. L.

[–] mirrorwitch@awful.systems 14 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

I wrote a memoir thing on my brief, dystopic time at Google . I'm not sure if me reminiscing about the time when I sold out fits the topic of the forum, but I think a lot of it qualifies as sneering and might generally interest this audience.

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[–] gerikson@awful.systems 13 points 1 week ago

This piece, although in a way defeatist, also gives me hope because there's at least one other person who has the same general feeling about LLMs that I do, and is a better writer.

https://blog.glyph.im/2025/06/i-think-im-done-thinking-about-genai-for-now.html

I'm gonna think that the latest drumbeat of pro-LLM posts (tpacek's screed, this excrescense) is a last gasp of a system running in midair like the Coyote, before the VC money dries up.

[–] gerikson@awful.systems 13 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Lobsters went down a VC financing rabbit hole the other day (thanks to me and @dgerard) and a user horked up this absolutely bonkers defense of OpenAI losing a galactic sum of money:

https://lobste.rs/s/wjb9ox/minio_removes_web_ui_features_from#c_rgatzz

(reproduced below in case it is removed in shame)


OpenAI is very different. They mainly lose money on ChatGPT, but it’s not really lost money, because they in turn accumulate fresh daha to further train their models. Data that none of their competitors have access to.

OpenAI is also different because AI is a major geopolitical factor at the moment and unless you’ve been living in a cave lately, you must have noticed that geopolitics is much more important than money these days. ChatGPT is an incredible intelligence gathering channel and cutting access to AI APIs would make US sanctions hurt that much more. The only other country that can compete with US companies when it comes to bulk training data access is China, via their social media alternatives like TikTok and RedNote. You can imagine the geopolitical implications of that too.

[–] bitofhope@awful.systems 19 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Bashing my own head with a rock might seem harmful to my brain, but it also leaves minerals lodged in my skull. Minerals I can then sell to buy a bigger rock.

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[–] Architeuthis@awful.systems 12 points 1 week ago

Sounds like they should nationalize OpenAI.

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[–] BurgersMcSlopshot@awful.systems 12 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Has anyone heard of Boom Supersonic? Supposedly the company is making a new SST that is supposed to be able to go supersonic without the sonic boom hitting the ground by flying at or above 50,000 feet. They did a demo flight using a a plane that doesn't use the engine tech that the prospective finished plane will have nor does it resemble the prospective airframe design, so it seems like they went fast to prove fast plane is fast I guess?

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[–] o7___o7@awful.systems 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (11 children)

hackernews enthusiast tpacek is filled with incredulity when some friends won't join his new religious movement. This of course has triggered a 1200 reply long thread:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44163063

[–] self@awful.systems 11 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I feel like this article might deserve its own post, because I think it’s the first time I’ve ever seen an attempted counter-sneer. it’s written like someone’s idea of what a sneer is (tpacek swears sometimes and says he doesn’t give a shit! so many paragraphs into giving a shit!) but all the content is awful bootlicking and points that don’t stand up to even mild scrutiny? and now I’m wondering if tpacek’s been reading us and that’s why he’s upset, or if this is what an LLM shits out if you ask it to write critihype in the tone of a sneer

[–] o7___o7@awful.systems 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I bet you're right on the money.

Edit: someone deep in the thread dared him to post a video of one of his coding speedruns if it's so good, which tickled me

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[–] FredFig@awful.systems 10 points 1 week ago

This almost reads like tptacek doesn't understand why lucidity's piece a year ago was so effective and tried to write it from the opposite angle by punching down instead of punching up.

I'd have thought that a guy who writes on the internet like it's a competition sport could recognize the obvious problems of this, but maybe I'm just a vibe coding Youtuber.

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[–] YourNetworkIsHaunted@awful.systems 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Possibly OT, but fits in with the "finance ruins everything" motif we've got going here:

My wife and I have been playing Stardew Valley again, and now the algorithms occasionally find us things like this

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[–] BigMuffin69@awful.systems 12 points 1 week ago (15 children)
[–] gerikson@awful.systems 11 points 1 week ago

there's no anime avatar, how do we know it's really Elon?

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[–] mountainriver@awful.systems 11 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I have written observations on how I see the nonsense crest peaking. Just the other day a collegue remarked that they had been at a conference and it was less AI than last year.

Today, however, I was at an audio / video trade show. I don't usually go to such, but it could be a good opportuinty to update on what is availble, and was close by, it was free and you got a free lunch. There was some interesting stuff in the monters, Yealink had some new stuff for conference rooms. Then just before lunch everyone headed to the key note adress. And it was horrible. It was a CEO who bragged how he had got ahead in life thanks to his "entrepreneurial mindset", though I would more say he bragged about bullshitting his way through life. And then it got worse when he got into AI. He quoted AIs answer on why AI acted in certain ways ("Just ask it!"), he claimed AI would cause at least 5 "penicillin-events" in the next 10 years, raising life spans to 180 and wiping out disease. At this time I just stood up and left, and skipped the free lunch.

It had just been 15 minutes out of an hour, and while he hadn't touched the topics of audio or video, he had established that nothing he would say about that could be trusted, which means it wouldn't matter what he said about their actual products. No great surprise that a bullshit artist likes the bullshit machine, I am a little surprised more people didn't leave, but then again social norms and free lunch.

[–] blakestacey@awful.systems 11 points 1 week ago (2 children)
[–] BlueMonday1984@awful.systems 12 points 1 week ago

Democracy dies in darkness, and WaPo's jumping headfirst into it.

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[–] BlueMonday1984@awful.systems 11 points 1 week ago

Found a damn-good sneering of AI art on Newgrounds recently - highly recommend checking it out.

[–] rook@awful.systems 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

AI audio transcription is great.

https://mastodon.social/@nixCraft/114627512725655987

Sean Murray @NoMansSky

Ignore the auto-generated captions. We did not have a secret room hiding deaf kids.

Nintendo never once sent us deaf kids. We were hiding dev-kits. DEV-KITS.

[–] Architeuthis@awful.systems 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Kind of a nitpick but there has never been anything other than AI for automated transcription, OCR and speech recognition have been fundamental use cases for neural networks, and dev-kits to deaf kids is honestly kind of an honest mistake well within the known limitations of that technology.

LLM based audio transcription however does get goofy because apparently when it mishears stuff it might compound the error by, you guessed it, making more shit up: Researchers say an AI-powered transcription tool used in hospitals invents things no one ever said

I also appreciate how many of the "transformative" actions are just "did a really good thing... with AI!"

HR reduced time-to-hire by 30%! How? They told Jerry to stop hand-copying each candidate's resume (I sleep). Also we tried out an LLM for... something (Real shit).

Like, these are not examples of how AI adoption can benefit your organization and why being on board is important. They're split between "things you can do to mitigate the flaws in AI" and "things that would be good if your organization could do" and an implication that the two are related.

[–] BlueMonday1984@awful.systems 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)
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