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Starting today ? I bought a phone last week and it already had this label.
Law was in effect from yesterday, but that doesn't mean stores have to wait for that day to implement it.
For those asking "Why bother? The energy usage is tiny".
https://energy-efficient-products.ec.europa.eu/product-list/smartphones-and-tablets_en#consumers-1
Mobile phones and tablets produced under these rules will save almost 14 terawatt hours in primary energy each year by 2030. This is one third of the primary energy consumption of these products today. The new rules will also help to optimise the use and recycling of critical raw materials.
In 2030, the savings on EU27 acquisition costs are โฌ 20 billion, which combined with โฌ 0.6 bn lower energy costs and โฌ 0.8 bn additional repair costs, leads to โฌ 19.8 billion (22%) expense savings (โฌ 98 per household).
So basically, by promoting energy efficient and repairable devices, the plan is to save โฌ20bn annually in savings and not to generate 14TWh of electic power across the EU. That power saving is about the annual output of a single nuclear reactor. (1.6GW x 24h x 365.25d = 14TWh)
Would be funny to know how the supposed 14TWh savings compare to the cost required to introduce/maintain these labels. And by costs I mean overall costs with everything related to it.
I think the big value of these labels are not the energy class (like for bigger appliances) itโs the fields under the energy class. Repeatability, (official declaration of) battery duration, simple to spot resistance to dust/water, etc
1.6MW is absolutely tiny for a nuclear reactor and most produce at least 200MW with a lot of them going up to a GW and not to say 14TWh isnโt a huge amount of energy just that the comparison to a nuclear power plant is off
Apologies. I meant GW other wise the maths doesn't work.
I was thinking at first that this would lead to even more aggressive "app optimization" where it would refuse to notify alarms you've explicitly set due to battery life concerns.
But instead there's a better way, which I hope manufacturers will take. Perhaps smartphone chips can stop chasing absolute peak performance and instead focus on good performance at a reasonable power budget.
Of course the biggest problem is bloated software but idk how we can fix that.
There's multiple levels to it:
Sure, the chip makers make halo performance chips, but that's because the phone makers are pushing them to make those chips for halo phones. The reason for that is that the public buy (or at least rent) halo phones.
Educating the public that there are reasons to buy more efficient phones should help shape the demand curve of the whole industry.
I was about to comment how this number doesn't make sense, but reading the article they mention the power savings for phones specifically is actually 2.2TWh per year, which might be realistic. The rest of the 14 TWh comes from landline phones (2.2TWh) and energy used to produce phones that would be saved (8.1 TWh) from the lifetime extension measures, that aren't even related to the power efficiency of phones and won't take place in the EU.
However, even these numbers are overinflated when you take into account they're using a PEF factor of 1.9, meaning they multiply the actual power usage by 1.9 to adjust for stuff like power transfer losses (only 5-10%) and the inefficiency of generating power from e.g. fossil fuels (because e.g. petroleum might only convert 40% of its potential energy to electricity), but when people typically talk about power usage they're talking about the actual amount of electricity that needs to be generated, not this abstract representation of it, meaning that e.g. phone electricity savings are actually only 1.1TWh-1.2TWh.
... optimise the use and recycling of critical raw materials
Does anyone have an idea how this helps with recycling?
Designs which can be repaired can have specific parts taken out and recycled in isolation. If you can take the battery out easily you don't have all the materials from the rest of phone contaminating your recycling pipeline.
Good ol XY00x cycle count. That's a nice battery. Gotta say. Cause I know exactly what XY00x means.
I genuinely can't figure this out. I found an iPhone label with 1000x, which seems obvious. So what the hell is XY00? Everything else in the image is an example value.
Edit: right reading through this thread it seems its 100x the value, so XY represents a number, e.g. 15, then it would be 1500 cycles. The iPhone label I found must be from an earlier test or something. I like the rest but this seems unclear.
Then it will just say "1500x". The "XY00" is just for this example, and means it will always be divisible by 100.
Edit: on the printed label only. Not the website, which is stupid.
Here's the database: https://eprel.ec.europa.eu/screen/product/smartphonestablets20231669
Model numbers can be found on the back of you phone or on https://www.ifixit.com/
The data seems to be weird/lacking so far, a lot of phones have "10" as "battery endurance in cycles", and some have the "Battery user-replaceable" even though it clearly isn't (e.g. glued on back glass)
PS: sorry I'm an idiot, I misunderstood what "battery endurance in cycles" meant (it seems to actually be "hundreds of cycles"). Also "battery user-replaceable" phones don't have a glued-on back indeed, I was looking at a wrong model.
This is sick! In 5-7 years when I'm looking for a new phone this will come in really handy :)
I think the ratng is too forgiving with not much room for improvement. A lot of phones are already class B og A so no incentive to innovate and improve or we are going to end up with nonsensical A++++ ratings.
This happened with appliances. They ended up with the silly A++++ ratings added in 2010 as otherwise everything would be an A.
In 2021 they decided to redefine grades instead. A fridge at A+++ became a C. A became the top grade again.
It's also worth noting that as they push the whole scale and G into being more efficient that essentially bans products that can't achieve a rating.
if everything becomes an A the system has worked and increased the efficiency across the market. They'll adjust the goals every 5 to 10 years.
The EU battery life measure is going to be the most interesting battle ground in my opinion. "All day battery life" will have a measured metric in hours.
If the EU have managed to make that metric representative of an amount of screen time in a busy day it could become the first thing consumers look at. Or at least a deal breaker when that number is too low.
Thing is, battery drain in a good cell coverage are while on wifi is significantly lower than using cell data with no wifi in a poorly covered area.
If only there was a way to count up instead of down
Blame the education system. They ingrained the concept of A being the best in all of us.
i have a weird concept. give each phone a tortilla chip for each positive rating. the final score is the size of the pile of nachos the phone has.
Looks like the shit on my fridge.
What happened to the "user replaceable batteries"?
I guess it is part of repairability class.
I like the other info, but I feel like energy efficiency is completely useless as a metric for phones. They already use such miniscule amounts of power that it really doesn't matter that much, especially compared to appliances.
Minuscule? A modern phone has a battery around a third or half that of a laptop (5000mAh x 3.7V = 18.5Wh). They also start having processors similarly capable. Gaming and other intense tasks can consume surprising amounts of energy. They put more and more emphasis on cooling, some phones including a fan. If we continue this way it starts to become expensive...
I mean I already wrote this out in reply to another comment but by their own numbers on the site announcing this they say that all phones combined yearly consume ~ 5.2 TWh, that's 0.2% of the EU's total anual consumption of 2.7PWh. They expect to reduce the power consumption by 20% (which I find questionable but ok) by 2030, reducing the consumption by 1.1TWh, thats just 0.04% of the total consumption. It really doesn't matter that much. And as for your comment, laptops are already also extremely efficient, so it's not like their power consumption is that significant either.
For context, a day's charge of a phone is equal to running a typical 2kW heater for 1 minute, a years worth of charge is equal to running it for 6 hours. I like the label and don't think it's a bad addition, I just feel that that information could have been replaced with more useful stuff (like how ethically sourced it was or how long it will be supported for), the energy efficiency feels more like doing it just so it looks the same as the other ratings without much purpose for it.
Those ideas are also good, but aren't mutually exclusive, you could have both.
PS: gaming laptops are not particularly efficient
You don't care about battery life?
Battery life is already on there as a separate metric
...but the power draw is what sets the battery life for a particular size of battery. We don't particularly want to set up a game that just incentivises putting bigger batteries in, so we have a metric for power draw.
I think that's the wrong way to look at it. Times any of those metrics by the literal billions of phones out there and it adds up quite quickly.
Sure on an individual basis it might mean savings of a few bucks over the course of the lifetime of the phone, but scale that up and we're talking entire power plant's worth of electricity that isn't required.
I feel this way about washing machines already. Oh wow, this one uses 0.6kwh less per wash. That's like 30kwh a year!
meanwhile my fridge
You fridge should consume between 100 and 200 kWh a year, depending on efficiency and size. 30kWh a year is a notable saving, between 10 and 15โฌ a year, if you keep the machine 10 years it's like a third of the price. If you have kids more than that, since you run it more than one a week.
even tho i dont live in the eu or European union i see eu labels, So i cannot wait to see them.
Starting today?
Commission Delegated Regulation (EU) 2023/1669 of 16ย June 2023
Seems to have been around for a while...
Ahem:
Article 8
Entry into force and application
This Regulation shall enter into force on the twentieth day > following that of its publication in the Official Journal of the European Union.
It shall apply from 20 June 2025.
This Regulation shall be binding in its entirety and directly applicable in all Member States.
Done at Brussels, 16 June 2023.
Source: EurLex
Thanks for finding that part...