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My fiancée does not know how to order off a menu. Actually she does, she doesn't care to order from a menu like most people do.

Going out to eat with her is pretty much an hour long ordeal of me gritting my teeth while she racks up a bill 3x mine, all while trying nicely to steer her to just one item. She'll open the menu, get overwhelmed with options, and end up ordering a la carte from places that do not work that way, asking for endless substitutions and upcharges. As an example, at a restaraunt, she might not be able to decide between a burger or chicken tenders, so she'll ask for "a half order" of both of them, then she likes the sound of one specific dipping sauce that comes with another entree so she'll ask for a cup of that, etc. Etc. I'll say something before we go in, she'll promise me she'll just get a water, and then get a water - and a margarita. It's draining. At this point, we go out maybe once pr twice a year unless something forces us out more than that.

The scenario that prompted this rant was that tonight was one of those times. Our bill was $82.10. My entree plus water was $10.99.

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[–] corroded@lemmy.world 107 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Does she still do this when she's the one paying the bill?

[–] andrewta@lemmy.world 31 points 1 week ago

The important question

[–] match@pawb.social 103 points 1 week ago (2 children)
[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 25 points 1 week ago

Who are you, so wise in the ways of ordering?

[–] d00phy@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago

This really is the way.

[–] Stamets@lemmy.world 85 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I feel like this is a discussion you need to actually have with her

[–] null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com 47 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You could say this to anyone posting in /c/offmychest

this community is here to kinda vent and figure out what's up before you take that step.

[–] warbond@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It's a really good response for most of these problems, but yeah, the point is to get it out of your system and perhaps gain some perspective.

[–] null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Yeah but communication is the solution to any relationship type problem - usually the problem is people just don't know what to communicate or how to communicate it.

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[–] Skua@kbin.earth 57 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Have you tried going for something with a tapas format where it's expected to get lots of different small dishes?

[–] LilB0kChoy@midwest.social 18 points 1 week ago

Ooh, or dim sum! Love me some dim sum.

[–] SimpleMachine@sh.itjust.works 43 points 1 week ago (2 children)

At the end of the day here's the truth of the matter. This will not change, and it will bother you for the rest of your time together. If this is actually annoying enough for you to post this here, it will only get worse over time. You're not gonna get used to it, you will likely grow to resent her for it. People don't change, not really. Decide now, this is a deal breaker or not. There's no way this behaviour doesn't bleed into other shit in your lives. Changing course this far into the game is hard, but I suspect that you already know what you wanted to hear from everyone the moment you posted this. Listen to your gut.

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[–] skozzii@lemmy.ca 40 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Have you tried communicating with her?

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[–] pineapplelover@lemmy.zip 36 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Y'all should just go to a buffet or all you can eat style thing. Maybe hotpot or something

[–] Xande@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I once had invited a similar character into my life... a spoiled bitch that thought she's the center of the universe. In reality she would hate OP for suggesting something like a buffet, to cover up she wouldn't know how to behave. And it has to be expensive... she defines his "love" on the amount he spends on her.

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[–] fubarx@lemmy.world 31 points 1 week ago

What's the root concern? Cost, imbalance, or inconvenience?

  • If it's cost, she can pay for herself.
  • If it's imbalance, don't go 50/50. She can pay for whatever she wants.
  • If it's inconvenience (takes too long to order and get food), you can order and ask for your food to be brought out when ready. Or just wait, chill out, and enjoy some time together.

You should never worry about inconvenience to the restaurant or staff. Substituting is normal. If they can't do it, they'll tell you. Otherwise they'll happily provide the food and take the money. That's the social contract.

From your description, it looks like the main issue is #1 and #2. If so, a frank conversation should fix it. It may solve the problem, or uncover larger issues and expectations you should probably handle before getting married.

[–] RBWells@lemmy.world 29 points 1 week ago

I am going to parrot what others are asking - what part of this is the biggest problem? If it's the expense, show her the bill. Tell her it bothers you that you don't treat the restaurant experience the same. Ask about why she doesn't like the canned options.

But you know - I don't think she is capital W Wrong in her approach, especially if you only go out to eat rarely. If she wants a variety, could you just order a bunch of appetizers for the table and share? We usually order for the table in expensive places, not for ourselves, we go one item at a time and share it, and that's one of the best things about the fancier restaurants. Or go to an Ethiopian place, they serve everything on one big injera for both of you.

Communication is the issue here I think - does she see it as "you are taking her out and want her to go indulge herself and enjoy" because going out to eat is entertainment and you see it as "I want to go out to eat because it's convenient and you are taking away the one benefit of going out to eat". And you are going to have to manage those competing desires in some way. I don't think it needs to be crazy expensive if that's what's bothering you.

How do you cook and eat at home? I really like to cook and can make food as good as we get when we go out, but if I want convenience my husband gets us takeout from somewhere. A restaurant is more for the experience not just the food.

[–] grasshopper_mouse@lemmy.world 22 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Start splitting the bill so you each only pay for what you're eating yourselves. Jesus, man, the pussy can't be THAT good.

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago

I’ll second this. While I’ve certainly never been in this situation, it’s a common strategy with friends. Actually I pushed this strategy when I started earning more, started loosening up and splurging more, and didn’t want to burden my friends

[–] rustydrd@sh.itjust.works 21 points 1 week ago

Maybe it would help if you had a heart-to-heart about why this is bothering you and (together) make a plan to tackle this. From your description, it seems like the occasional margarita is not really the issue but it's the inconvenience to the staff, the embarrassment to you, and the costs that come with the dishes she orders. It might help to look at the menu online beforehand and decide on what you're getting in advance. You could even pick out two dishes together, and you could share a few bites, if you're okay with that. Her behavior seems to be at least a little compulsive, which is hard to get rid of but can be overcome with some practice.

[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 21 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] PP_BOY_@lemmy.world 50 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (5 children)

Nah, im just being dramatic, venting. She's literally great in every other aspect, financially speaking. We split rent 50/50, buy groceries separately, both contribute equally to a rainy day cash jar, etc. Etc. It's just that all of that responsibility goes out when she gets to a restaraunt booth. I'm not going to tank 6 years over that, just using the community for what its made for

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 24 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

My partner has a friend like this. We take her to a place we like, because it does have good food..

They then makes an endless series of modifications to a dish the place is known for, until it's utterly indistinguishable, and the back of house crew will be very annoyed. Then they complain that the food wasn't good.

[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

That would drive me insane.

I'm glad your girl is otherwise a great partner, but are you worried other things like this might become evident once you've tied the knot?

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I think it's time for a very honest conversation and try to get to the root of the issue, in addition to relationship counseling and possibly financial planning.

[–] ChexMax@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Or they just agree to go Dutch 🤷🏼‍♀️ he can just say "I have $30 budgeted for this meal, anything over that needs to come out of your budget"

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 5 points 1 week ago

That's kind of like a bandaid on tissue that's threatening to necrotize. It can be done, but the actual issue needs exploration and excision.

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[–] remotelove@lemmy.ca 21 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

... As an addendum to a comment I made somewhere else on this:

Abso-fucking-loutely do not show her this post to prove a point! You won't be able to explain the context no matter how hard you try.

But, if you are looking to end the relationship with a quickness by all means, YOLO this shit. Get some video if you can anonymize it somehow.

We are just rando internet idiots. Don't be taking advice from us, if that was the intention. We are just here for the validation of your bias and some magic internet points.

[–] Zozano@aussie.zone 21 points 1 week ago

I hate bothering the chefs by asking them to remove things from menu items. I'd rather eat something I don't want than do it.

This would be hell to me.

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 21 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Maybe she'd like a buffet where she can make her own plate. There are so many types of places that specifically do custom orders like sandwich shops and bakeries, along with pizza, buffets, and lots of cultural food types (Asian, Mexican, Italian, etc). Maybe try those options.

To a lesser extent, it is worth noting that some people like being ordered for. It would be wise to ask if that would work for her before attempting it, though.

[–] Limonene@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago

Do they at least acknowledge that they have problems with decision paralysis?

Ever tried checking the menu online before going out, and saying you can only go out if your partner picks a single item in advance? Not sure if that would help, though. This sounds like a very difficult situation. Good luck.

[–] remotelove@lemmy.ca 16 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Attempt to talk about this like you are normal humans. If she listens to you and cares about your feelings, talking about problems matters.

If that doesn't work and you still really like the girl, refuse to take her out to a real restaurant again. Costco hotdogs only after that, period. She can customize the fuck out of as much ketchup and mustard as she wants.

Going out to a really good restaurant should be as much of an atmosphere experience as it is an experience with the food. A bad atmosphere will ruin the food for me and the atmosphere includes the people I am with.

Part of a healthy dining experience is being aware of the people I am with and making sure I am not fucking with their experience. It's a mutual effort.

When I am able, I will pay through the teeth for a perfect dining experience and it's super rare and super valuable to me. Day to day? A pickle wrapped in a slice of ham could work fine for a quick meal. Whatever. Even if your budget is less than $100, there is no reason that shouldn't be an emotional experience as well. (Everything is relative, is my point.)

[–] FrostyCaveman@lemm.ee 14 points 1 week ago

Is she odd with food in general? Or just at restaurants?

[–] pineapplelover@lemmy.zip 13 points 1 week ago

Where are you going where an entree and water costs 10.99?

[–] chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 1 week ago

Is what bothers you about it that she is creating a significant expense you have to deal with, or something else? If it's not the something else, seems like a simple solution would be to just ask her to split the bill so she can be responsible for her expensive preferences. If it is the something else, why is it a problem?

[–] sunbrrnslapper@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago

Doors she do better if she can see the menu before getting to the restaurant?

[–] andrewta@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

If you want my advice, you didn’t really ask for it per se : one get a relationship counselor now. Number two get a financial advisor now.

Both of you need to be going to both of them. This is going to become a problem.

She might be excellent in all of the regards as you said in a comment already. But this is going to become an issue when your bill $10 and hers is 80 and she won’t stop doing it. This sort of situation doesn’t get better. It tends to get worse. It starts with the food and it goes from there.

Because even if you’re only going out once or twice a year newsflash my friend once you’re married, she’s going to be going out with her friends and that bill is going to get big and it’s gonna get big really really fast.

So I would say marriage/relationship counselor, and financial advisor.

[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 8 points 1 week ago

At that point, order for her and see what happens.

[–] Marketsnodsbury@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Do you have separate accounts? If she pays for her own meal with her own money, nbd. But I’m guessing since you’re planning a future together you’ll also be commingling your finances at some point (if you haven’t already), and with this in mind I urge you to have regular financial planning and check-in sessions with each other to mitigate frustrations over different spending habits.

I didn’t have parents who were great with money, and I don’t naturally have a great head for numbers, so when I got married I had a lot of learning to do. My husband is the complete opposite and stays on top of things much more than I do, but financial spending, saving, and planning are important to be on the same page about. Personally, if I know we’re saving money for a particular project or trip or something, I make much better choices in the moment.

In your specific situation, my advice would be to agree on an amount you want to spend on the outing beforehand so you’re on the same page. This still gives her the option to modify her order to her tastes, she just has parameters to work within. If she completely disregards that agreement, you can always step it up old school with the money-in-an-envelope method, where you can’t fall back on a debit or credit card if you “accidentally” go over (although if I were in your shoes going this route, I’d stash a card on me for emergencies, but make her sweat just enough she feels the burn of her mistake).

[–] null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 1 week ago

The money aspect to this is the least relevant I feel.

Like in my own case if we go out for dinner whether my partners meal costs $20 or $100 doesn't really matter.

What does matter is the cringe. I would just feel so awkward when every other diner order's like "I'll start with the quail eggs and then the crab noodles for my main course" but my partner is like "right, ok, so, does do you have a gluten free option for the crab noodles? ... "

[–] ChexMax@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

Is it possible she now feels like, "well we only go out like twice a year, this is a special treat, and I want to get exactly what I want!" (Mostly) Joking on that.

My only suggestion (that you didn't ask for) is that if she can't decide between a burger and tenders, maybe you get the burger and agree to split it with her getting the tenders. My husband and I do this (he doesn't love it so we don't do it often) but my sister and I always do it, that way we can get something healthy AND something indulgent

[–] 9tr6gyp3@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Just choose better restaurants that facilitate this type of ordering. You'll both be better off.

[–] null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 week ago

Most restaurants do "facilitate" this type of ordering in that they'll allow you to request whatever, but they will charge you for it.

[–] mienshao@lemm.ee 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

lol was that the chilis the three for me for $10.99? Literally when I got to chilis, I’ll get that $11 three for me, and my partner orders the salmon for like twice my meal. Very frustrating, but your situation is on another level... I have no advice other than don’t go through with the marriage if this is one of many, many things she does to induce “gritting of teeth.” Hopefully this is her like one quirk or something…

[–] paraphrand@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Hmm, but I bet their salmon meal was healthier. 🤔

[–] I_Fart_Glitter@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Farmed salmon that’s frozen, cooked, frozen, then microwaved. Mmmmm…. Healthy meals at Chili’s.

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[–] ikidd@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

Make her pay for her shit.

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