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This is the kind of content the .ml admins cultivate through their bans and censorship. They'll frequently remove articles from credible good sources that directly go against their narratives, while allowing misinformation and conspiracy websites to include RT, Sputnik and (as shown) random substack blogs as long as they tow the narratives that align with them.

E.g. Ukraine is a Nazi regime and Russia is just "liberating" the Ukrainian people

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[–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

.ml was the most tolerable of the tankie triad to me for a long time, but I eventually blocked it as they got worse and worse.

[–] Klear@lemmy.world 5 points 23 hours ago

It's mostly the exact same people as the rest of the triad, they just keep their masks on a little bit better when they're on .ml.

[–] nthavoc@lemmy.today 53 points 2 days ago (3 children)

This is why I don't donate to the devs because it indirectly goes to .ml. This is also why people think Lemmy is nothing but tankies because they're ok with that image.

[–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 24 points 2 days ago (1 children)

i’m so glad piefed is picking up steam! once voyager support is good i’m done with lemmy and donating to piefed

[–] BuboScandiacus@mander.xyz 3 points 1 day ago

Still waiting for that to jump ship

[–] cm0002@lemmy.world 30 points 2 days ago

This is also why people think Lemmy is nothing but tankies because they're ok with that image.

Which is why I advocate for pushing large instances, like .world, to defederate as they have for the other 2 instances in the Triad

We can't force .ml offline and we can't force them to install an actually unbiased and fair admin team.

But we can control our association with them, if the rest of the network defeds from them at the very least we can all say "yea they're there, but we've cut ourselves off from them because they're nuts" and I think that could go very far

[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 23 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I recommended to people to go to Lemmy, and then I got told "you mean the place where it is full of tankies?" Tankies give the entire community a bad name.

[–] Klear@lemmy.world 3 points 23 hours ago

Username doesn't check out.

[–] nichtsowichtig@feddit.org 10 points 1 day ago

interestingly, a healthy portion of thethreadiverse is quite anti-tankie precisely because of these instances.

[–] QueenHawlSera@sh.itjust.works 70 points 2 days ago (3 children)

They're still pushing the "Ukraine are Nazis, here's zero proof!" narrative?

[–] Pilferjinx@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

Yeah, so here's the thing. The Azov Battalion was a Nazi force up until they were obliterated during the Mariupol massacre. It's since been somewhat denazified but they still continue to fly the modified wolfsangel. This is all the Russians can point to. But remember the Russian Wagner group? They too were full fledged Nazis so it's utterly stupid for Putin to point fingers. But that's not the point, it's just a very flimsy reason for the Russians to justify the invasion.

[–] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 35 points 2 days ago (2 children)

This is all just what I remember from research years ago, but at one point there was a pretty large chunk of nazis/sympathizers in azov specifically. They cracked down on extremism since then, but it's conceivable there's a few left.

Now using that to call every single Ukrainian servicemember and child a nazi to justify actual imperialism? Average braindead tankie take.

[–] sucius1@lemdro.id 5 points 1 day ago

It's a weird kind of projection. The Russian military is full of nazis. Not that's it's surprising since nazis tend to gravitate towards the military. Wagner for example was founded by and full of nazis, but tankies seem to be OK with that.

[–] bobby@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 2 days ago

They cracked down on extremism since then, but it’s conceivable there’s a few left.

Also the most extreme ones are the ones that died first and after broad mobilization the relative proportion shrank naturally. That's just maths.

And even if these two were not the case, Ukraine has a simple explanation:

When asked about one of the two Russian groups fighting on Ukraine's side, one being extreme racists who want to make Russia smaller to get rid of regions with non-Russian ethnicities, a government official, maybe even Zelensky personally, said to the press that Ukraine does not have the luxury to pick who fights on their side when the alternative is rape and genocide.

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[–] guy@piefed.social 45 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Oh damn, they're not even pretending to not being a Russian mouthpiece anymore?

[–] breecher@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Tankies have always regurgitated Putin propaganda.

[–] guy@piefed.social 2 points 13 hours ago

Yes lol. But they used to pretend they didn't before

[–] endeavor@sopuli.xyz 14 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

They straight up tell to the face of the victims of communist genocide and mass murders that "its your fault your country was completely inhibited by nothing but literal SS nazis and honestly that also makes you a nazi"

[–] hunnybubny@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You can go point by point comparing russia and nazi germany. All they have to say is well it can apply to any western country as well.

This is all vibe based ideology. Like MAGA, fascism and nazism was.

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 2 points 22 hours ago

"Vibe based ideology". That's so spot on, perfect!

[–] remotelove@lemmy.ca 17 points 2 days ago

I don't remember a time where they attempted to pretend. It's just recently they started getting heavy with the site wide bans though.

[–] F_OFF_Reddit@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago (2 children)

well just blacklist them, make it an echo chamber so it doesn't show literally anywhere else in the fediverse

[–] cm0002@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Unfortunately, the "block" isn't really a block on Lemmy, it's barely a mute and that goes for user and instance blocks. Because dessalines refuses to implement a proper system (unsurprisingly). It's been 4 years since "blocks" rolled out

In any case it still allows their toxicity and misinformation to spread, trolling new users who come here unaware of the need to block and such

Really, the best answer is to call for wide defederation like the rest of the Tankie Triad is treated

[–] ThorrJo@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I think ultimately issues like this will be why I don't choose Lemmy when I finally get around to standing up my own threadiverse node.

[–] cm0002@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (2 children)

PieFed! I'm more attached to Boost than the underlying server software anyways, so if it ever gets PieFed support I'll be leaving for that

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 3 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Is piefed a Lemmy alternative? There are so many new things (very cool!) out there, and Lemmy starts to lose it's luster IMO, not very much interesting news or discussions, lots and lots of "gEnOcIdE" troll bullshit (I mean you can't even ask questions to these people).

[–] cm0002@lemmy.world 2 points 17 hours ago

Yea, for the most part, but it's still fully federated so you'll still be part of the Threadiverse and will be able to fully see and interact with all of Lemmy's content and users without issues

But, on PieFed, at least block means block, blocking lemmy.ml or any other instance on PieFed blocks comms and users alike and blocking an individual user on PieFed means they won't be seeing any of your comments or posts. So none of this mute BS on Lemmy where problematic users can still brigade your content and comment "behind your back" on your posts/comments without your knowledge

[–] ThorrJo@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 1 day ago

I'm leaning that direction if only because I have decade-old Python experience which I could potentially dust off and use to contribute to development if I start "dogfooding" PieFed and find things I want to fix or improve.

[–] vxx@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

It gives them more strenghts. The same happened with /thedonald.

[–] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 51 points 2 days ago (37 children)

The story at present has 9 upvotes, 12 downvotes. The OP posted:

If any salty Nazi cheerleaders want to complain that this isn’t a news source, you’re wrong. This is an active military correspondent’s blog giving a timeline for events which are not debatable. Better luck next time.

… which has 4 upvotes and 1 downvote.

I would bet money that one or two of the upvotes on it are from the .ml moderation/admin team.

[–] FireIced@lemmy.super.ynh.fr 16 points 2 days ago

dessalines upvoted it

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[–] illi@sh.itjust.works 25 points 2 days ago

I just encountered the OP of that post today, saying EU is not real. You just can't with these people.

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