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[-] jeena@jemmy.jeena.net 48 points 1 year ago

I don't understand why this is news, this is the position of the German government too that they have a special relationship with Israel because of the Holocaust.

[-] jeena@jemmy.jeena.net 23 points 1 year ago

Even in this article it says:

"If you know Germany, you know that our solidarity with Israel is beyond all question," Scholz said

[-] tryptaminev@feddit.de 8 points 1 year ago

Which is especially stupid given that the Holocaust was aided by a mentality of supporting and going beyond all questions.

[-] tillimarleen@feddit.de 21 points 1 year ago

sure if you‘re not interested in context you could say that

[-] letmesleep@feddit.de 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The part where it becomes nonsense is that Germany does in fact not support a lot of stuff that Israel does. Especially the whole settlements issue. As far as the German government is concerned Israel still has the same borders as 1967 and its capital is Tel Aviv. The fact that Germany is supportive of Israel in this case is more that our history has taught us that you should first blame your government, not your neighbour, if you're getting bombed after your government started a war of aggression against said neighbour.

[-] Miaou@jlai.lu 0 points 1 year ago

The position you're defending is exactly what the other person was talking about, you missed their whole point entirely.

[-] sv1sjp@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

(Greeks, Armenians, Assyrians and other Christinian nationalities from Ottoman Empire) are we a joke to you?

[-] MelastSB@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 year ago

There's no turkish guilt, so yes

[-] dumdum666@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago

Not feeling guilty is not the same as being not guilty

[-] WhiteHawk@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

"It didn't happen. And if it did, they deserved it."

It is equivalent in their own minds, and that’s all they care about

[-] dumdum666@kbin.social 11 points 1 year ago

Actually I think that it would be now a good time to decriminalize the PKK in Germany and Europe since they are freedom fighters for the Kurdish people that are being oppressed by Erdogan after all.

[-] wieson@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

Recep Tayyip Sherlock Erdoğan

[-] autotldr 2 points 1 year ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


BERLIN, Nov 17 (Reuters) - Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan on Friday suggested that Germany supported Israel in the Gaza war out of guilt over the Holocaust and drew a contrast with Turkey, which he said was able to speak without bias.

I speak freely because we do not owe anything to Israel," Erdogan said at a joint news conference with Chancellor Olaf Scholz before the two leaders held private talks.

Erdogan said earlier this week that Israel was a "terror state" committing war crimes in Gaza and that its campaign against Hamas included "the most treacherous attacks in human history."

Erdogan's comment in Berlin went to the heart of Germany's post-war identity, which is based on deep atonement for the Holocaust.

Scholz, dealing with a court ruling that blew a 60-billion-euro hole in his budget, a coalition row over the economy and rising immigration, needs Ankara's help in stemming migration to the EU.

The two leaders sought to emphasise areas of agreement including the importance of their economic ties and support for a deal on Ukraine grain exports.


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[-] AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space 0 points 1 year ago

Didn’t Germany suspend implementation of its planned nationality reforms (which would have allowed easier naturalisation and dual citizenship) until they can guarantee that they don’t naturalise anyone who refuses to shoulder their share of their new country’s historic duty to Israel?

[-] CJOtheReal@ani.social -3 points 1 year ago

I mean partially but it's also about supporting a democracy and being racist against Islam.

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