/0 Governance

Acknowledged governance topic opened by https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/u/fxomt

This is a non-voting post. Known users should leave comments with your thoughts on the subject.

I mean, unless you're closing here I don't mind what you do. I think this is the best instance. I think the leadership is top notch.

I'm a happy guy

I think that, for most dbzer0 users (and quite a few landlubbers like me), being able to choose between a Lemmy and a PieFed instances is only positive. What you need to take into account is the additional work this incurs towards you guys, the admins; you'll be maintaining two instances instead of just one.

I don't trust Piefed at all - they're far too eager to curate my experience, and they've reintroduced all of the reputation anti-features (plus more) that were part of what drove me away from Reddit and the absence of which is part of what I like about Lemmy and Mbin.

If you're contemplating a second instance, I don't much care, because I can simply not use it. If you're contemplating a move, I think it's an awful idea.

Yes please. I'm in.

I was hoping a dbzer0 piefed instance would happen sometimes in the future! I would totally use it, since it has some pretty cool features that Lemmy has been quite slow in implementing. For example, merged communities that cover one specific topic.

A comment I came across a while ago puts it quite well:

I haven't used piefed myself but I wouldn't want to switch to it because I feel like it gives more power to downvotes and karma (or "reputation" as they call it):

• Comments with -10 score are collapsed by default.
• People who get downvoted a lot end up with a ‘low reputation’ indicator next to their name. You’ll know it when you see it.
• Upvotes in meme communities do not add to reputation.

Those are three of the twelve points listed as differences to lemmy on their features page.

I also don't agree with some of the points in their article on "PieFed features for growing healthy communities".

from: https://sopuli.xyz/comment/17119490
the comments' thread is also quite interesting

Plus it's written in Python and has only 1,6k MAUs, so we can only guess how well it scales

Slightly edited from an older comment of mine:

• https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/comment/19653620

EDIT: as such I believe that operating a Piefed instance would be a waste resources and actually harmful considering the fragmentation it would cause for little to no benefit at all (also it seems much better set up for a new Reddit with all the .world'ers flooding over there and the anti-features)

i like lemmy a lot. i also like that piefed seems to have better mod tools (at least i am told so). as one of the many people who lost their lemm.ee account to mod burnout, i think the important thing is what you like to work on.

if you can only support one plattform, choose the one you like better - i will most likely follow db0 for its governance.

if you can support both platforms and have fun doing so, i don't see a downside in it.

I think I'm for it, but I also don't know if I understand the implications. So, some questions:

• Is there a downside?

• Would this be in addition to lemmy or a replacement?

• If it is in addition to, is that the permanent plan, would this be working toward an eventual switch-over?

I should probably try piefed a bit so I understand it a bit better, but it's just a different Lemmy basically, right? Does it federate with existing Lemmy?

If it doesn't federate with what we already have, I'd have to keep up with two things, and two is a big number, so I'd probably just pick one and stay there.

Anyway, exciting nonetheless. I'll go eat some pie now and see what that's all about.

Some of my thoughts:

I value the community that we have and the style of communication that makes Lemmy different from other forum type software.

I very much dislike the political views of its creators.

I have an account on Piefed and while it's not terrible, it's still not as nice as here. I think it can get there over time.

I don't think it's a good idea, but i don't care so long as the lemmy instance stays open.

I think people's concerns over the politics of the developers are overblown and fragmenting into a new project weakens the fediverse - especially when I don't see anything wrong with the software that is being done differently in piefed.

If admins are okay with running both Lemmy and Piefed instances simultaneously then it seems fine IMO.

But otherwise don't feel strongly about it, I don't know that I'd actually use the Piefed instance unless something happens within the Lemmyverse side of things or issues with the dbzer0 Lemmy instance itself.

Against this idea as it merely causes significantly more work the instance maintainers with (imo) quite limited benefits. I'd only be in favour if lemmy began crashing and burning for whatever reason.

Here's my two cents:

Because there's no direct integration with Lemmy, and we start with an empty piefed instance. I'll have to create a user and all that, and I "just" quit Reddit so it's not very appealing to me, even if piefed has better features.

I would create an account if everyone migrates, or if I can click a "move to piefed" button that copies all my comments and posts.

I dont really care, but I won't be using piefed. the default UI doesn't allow me to adjust the size of thumbnails as i see fit: tiny and on the left. that's a deal breaker for me, even if it's petty.

I do not like new reddit and i have never liked new reddit and i have tried new reddit and will not be using new reddit. piefed UI is a new reddit ripoff.

or i guess a lot of social media platforms do that layout, Twitter FB insta. thankfully i dont waste my time with that shit either. I waste my time with YOU nerds and I am happy with that

Why would you go through the pain of maintaining another service? What is the actual benefit for you as an instance manager, but also for the user?

I’d rather have few very good maintained services, than the opposite.

I think this may be a good idea. The questionable performance/behavior of the core Lemmy devs does not give me confidence for the long term prospects of Lemmy as a code base and service.
piefed seems to be growing rapidly while Lemmy has stagnated. There's obviously a reason for that.

Yes, I'm all for it (assuming it wouldn't create too much work for you guys). Not supporting the Lemmy devs is a great idea. Heck, I would have moved completely to one of my piefed accounts if it wasn't for not wanting to abandon this account on db0.

Out of curiosity, would it ever be possible to migrate everyone here over to a piefed instance, allowing you to shut down the Lemmy instance? I'm not suggesting doing that (well, maybe lust a little), but more interested in the technical nature.

Absolutely! The sooner we have the option to be free of the issues with Lemmy development (or not to the point, developers) the better.

I really hate fragmentation. Linux suffers heavily from it. It creates redundant work. I think duplicate projects are curse on the open source so thats why I am not in favor of that.

I don't know a ton about piefed , but wouldn't that be more likely to divide the community?

Growing is usually good. Do the expanded tools to the admins warrant the additional headache?

Sometimes being small and having your own dark little corner of the internet where the “normies” don’t hang out is OK too.

A lot of forums started with a barrier of entry that required a small bit of tech savvy to get there. Not that picking an instance to get on the fediverse is that hard, but if it’s keeping someone at bay, that might be preferable.

Yes please! I've already joined piefed.ca to be able to support a platform without sponsoring communist propaganda, but they seem to have issues federating content properly, it takes over 24h to see new posts from Lemmy, and many discussions will be over at that point.

This very post for example is not visible there at all.

Would hope that with more instances we'd also get to see content sooner.