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It might be too late for the Threadiverse... (lemmy.world)

submitted 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) by cm0002@lemmy.world to c/fedimemes@feddit.uk

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It was a rather sombering thread, that echoed quite a bit of what I've been saying about .ml, the Triad, general toxicity of their Tankie "ideology" for months now.

I know @ptz@dubvee.org was speaking of general toxicity, but the Triad is a huge chunk of it, the culture they create...festers it. They comprise the bulk of the hostility, I've personally seen it over and over and over again. All the "Just go back to Reddit" or "just another lib Redditor refugee" comments for someone that dared to have nuance.

Hell, I saw hex users fucking cheering .ee's shutdown because it was some sort of psyop/CIA/fed/lib/"They didn't perfectly agree with me" instance. They call feddit.org a "Nazi Zionist" instance for the crime....of not wanting to be arrested and complying with German law...

I haven't looked to see if they've started any "celebratory" posts about Dubvee yet and I also don't really want to, if they're there, I already know what they're going to say in it -_-

Unfortunately, I fear the problem was far worse than I thought.

Ptz speculated that the toxicity has "metastasized". And you know what? He might be right, it seemed to be a lot better off 2 years ago, now....now I feel we might be losing the battle against the toxicity and I don't think PieFed will be enough. Complacency has set in

My hope was that with enough instances defederating from .ml and the rest of the Triad, it would be a tad easier to take down toxic Tankies, trolls and their alts. But, few wanted to burn the bridge with the toxic main devs' instance and now it might be too late. (Cheers to @Illecors@lemmy.cafe and the lemmy.cafe instance, one of the few of note to actually defederate from the entire triad!)

Like ptz said and I fully agree with, this place started with promise 2 years ago, but it appears to be ultimately morphing into 4chan (or like I've been saying, Voat 2.0) after all

Oh well, I've got some thick ass skin so I'll probably be here till the end, till the last sane instance shuts down.

I'll see you there @dessalines@lemmy.ml

/Sadmemerant

Heck, maybe I'll do a hail Mary and start an instance on a custom fork of lemmy with "normie proof" onboarding while dumping a few hundred in ADs (Maybe even on Reddit itself, HA!). I'll flood this place with "normies" LMAO

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[–] Turret3857@infosec.pub 9 points 2 days ago (2 children)

In the linked post, I can definitely agree that a lot of people here seem to be arguing in bad faith, and Ive seen it from various instances, not just the tankie traid (although I won't deny they are a part of it). For myself, I dont know how to tell the "subtle" trolls apart from people who are really just misinformed. I dont like assuming everyone knows everything and is purposefully trying to get a rise out of me. I do know I sit and think before I post, and sometimes I'll write a post or a comment, and sit on it and end up deleting it because I feel it isnt worth having to interact with someone who could be trolling, but I feel like I still end up arguing with people who are as the OOP put it, arguing in bad faith, talking in absolutes, and calling for violence. I dont really know how to approach it because I do use reporting sometimes, although 9 times out of 10 it feels like nothing comes of it. Just a shitty situation.

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

For myself, I dont know how to tell the “subtle” trolls apart from people who are really just misinformed.

Based on my decades of experience anyone who could be described as a 'subtle' troll is just misinformed people. So many people expect everyone to know everything they do that malicious intent is assumed when anyone disagrees with them that accusations of trolling are tossed out like cheap bubble gum at a small town parade.

If a 'troll' seems subtle, just assume they are misinformed!

[–] Ofiuco@piefed.ca 1 points 2 days ago

I don't argue anymore, it's not worth the time and the trolls/assholes are pretty obvious so I just report them.

[–] blackn1ght@feddit.uk 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

TIL dubvee is shutting down.

[–] sekxpistol@feddit.uk 1 points 2 days ago

shutdown today actually is what people have been sayin. it doesn't load for me igh now

[–] DmMacniel@feddit.org 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

They call feddit.org a "Nazi Zionist" instance for the crime....of not wanting to be arrested and complying with German law...

Yeah how dare we :/

And how dare we don't want needlessly endless drama that doesn't lead to anything.

[–] Ludrol@szmer.info 2 points 2 days ago (8 children)

Now I would really like to make a deepdive and see how did blackskyweb.xyz manage to become huge moderating force in AT proto(bluesky).

I was surprised that over those 2 years bluesky is kinda selfhostable. Maybe decision to make instances more important than people has doomed ActivityPub to become a toxic cesspool. I still remember how technology connections has resigned from mastodon over toxicity.

I saw this toxicity at the beginning and changed how I interact with the network. No controversial topics whatsoever, no OC memes as they will be bashed. Now I just repost stuff from tumblr and comment here and there.

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[–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The first time I found out that dubvee existed was when they banned me from all of their communities. And it sounds like they're just being soft skinned instead of just defederating the tankie instances. I'd argue having tankie instances is a good thing. It keeps them contained and easy to block.

[–] cm0002@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (5 children)

Yea, no, I know you and whatever ban was handed down was justly deserved.

It keeps them contained and easy to block.

It's a failed theory, they all have alts upon alts, and block isn't a block on Lemmy

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[–] Quadhammer@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

I guess I've been here 2 years too did lemmy start out tankie or was it due to the migration? The lsc sub on reddit was a full on echo chamber

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[–] SpaceShort@feddit.uk 1 points 2 days ago

Yeah. I started seeing Tankie comments from .world and .shitjustworks suggesting that France, Germany and Ukraine have a "cult of personality". The problem is spreading.

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