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[-] Sanctus@lemmy.world 30 points 1 year ago

Commoner: "Please! My children are so tired!"

Level 20 Bard: "cha cha, again!"

[-] Susaga@sh.itjust.works 24 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Bards make fantastic villains. They can be the puppetmaster whispering in the ears of leaders to cause wars, or they can be the flashy conqueror who gives a villainous musical number instead of a monologue.

Edit: Give the villain Vicious Mockery, and have them use it liberally. The players will want them dead.

[-] Mic_Check_One_Two@reddthat.com 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Also, nothing strikes fear into a party quite like knowing the BBEG has Power Word Kill in their back pocket. No save, no spell attack, no change to interrupt. They just tell one of your party members to die, and the party member keels over dead. Hopefully you have a 9th level spellcaster who has counterspell prepped and is willing to upcast to prevent it.

It can force the party to come up with some pretty elaborate traps just to bait the PWK prior to the fight. Since you can only use it once per day, the goal is usually to force them into a fight with something sacrificial (like a golem or a troll,) bait them into use the PWK on that creature, then rush in before they can escape.

[-] computergeek125@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Username terrifyingly checks out for bard....

[-] Ho_Chi_Chungus@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago
[-] lord_ryvan@ttrpg.network 5 points 1 year ago

So that's where Dragon Quest's Dancing Devils and whatnot come from!

[-] Dagnet@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

Biggest problem is that Suggestion is a broken spell with the description we get. Even just the example means we can steal anyone's weapon with little effort.

[-] avirse@feddit.uk 10 points 1 year ago
[-] visor841@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

This Key and Peele skit shows what it could be like for a party. Who wants to do only downtime activities now?

[-] Apex_Fail@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago
[-] CerealNommer@ttrpg.network 3 points 1 year ago

Otto already trademarked that one.

[-] iAmTheTot@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago

Except one everyone has clapped their hands, the spell ends on them.

[-] Urbanfox@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

RIP DJ Casper

[-] Graycliff@ttrpg.network 5 points 1 year ago

She's not the BIGGEST bad, but there's a major villain who's a bard type in Red Hand of Doom. (My players are about to meet her, actually.)

[-] Treczoks@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago

That is the reason why the guy that led the revolution against to old realms was a high-level bard...

[-] CerealNommer@ttrpg.network 5 points 1 year ago

The battlecry of the BBEG bard.

[-] saxysammyp@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

My last 2 campaigns have had the same Bard BBEG because bards are just so excellent with their ability to alter the thoughts of other.

[-] TheCrimsonSpark@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago

Now did you hear about the dancing plague?

[-] teft@startrek.website 4 points 1 year ago

So Yennifer is a bard?

[-] ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I don't get bards. I mean, wizards study magic. Sorcerers are born with innate magical abilities. Clerics channel divine power. But what the heck is the bard actually doing? Is he rocking out (over the course of six seconds) to such an extent that listeners take psychic damage? Is that something music just does in D&D? Like if you're a level 1 commoner, can you literally die if the kids practicing on their guitars in the neighbor's garage are too good (or too bad) at it?

(Edit: Yeah, yeah, "housecats kill more level 1 commoners than bards do". Bards are a menace! Don't try to obfuscate with statistics.)

[-] TheCrimsonSpark@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

If you want a lore answer regarding the realms, music (rhythm and sound) are an alternative use of verbal and somatic components. Bards attend "colleges" to study forms and functions much the same as wizards do. Difference being mode. And yes, a 1st level bard has sufficient magical power (if harnessed precisely) to kill.

Do keep in mind it takes no small amount of willpower for a bard to cast. Thus is the spellcasting mod charisma.

[-] ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Maybe it's because I'm a computer programmer with no artistic inclinations, but I find it hard to suspend disbelief about bardic magic. Of course a wizard can cast spells because he read a book, since books are important. But music isn't very important (to me) in real life. I can say "that sounds nice" or even "that sounds exciting/peaceful/happy/sad" but I don't think I would be too bothered if I could never hear music again.

I was exaggerating for comedic effect in my original post - I'm not trying to give bard players a hard time. But I do wonder: if you're a person for whom bardic magic "makes sense" in a way that makes it easy to suspend disbelief, are you also someone who's artistically inclined? Does music "speak to you" in a sense?

[-] Jazard23@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 year ago

I hope this will be a satisfying answer for you, because your statements are not really making sense to me. I would not call myself artistically inclined, although I do think life would be a lot more boring without music.

If you believe that a guy reading a book is good enough for magic, why isn't reading sheet music? To me, it seems very plausible that in a world where magic sources as "waving your hands in a particular manner" or "asking your patron/god/sugar daddy very nicely" exist, magic produced by hitting the right notes is also possible.

Additionally, I would say that even in our world, music holds power (as seen by all research into its interaction with dementia, depression, concentration etc.). Speeches, war dances can envigorate people to fight battles. Also, no books without stories, no stories without storytellers (which are, coincidentally, called bards)

[-] ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

Thank you, that actually is the sort of answer I was looking for.

My favourite bard BBEGs were from Mystical Ninja on the Nintendo 64.

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