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I'm sure I'd be preaching to the choir if I told you that it's time for us to immigrate from übercorp owned social media and services. All of you have done so, so that's not the point of this post. Even though we are on these new platforms, the fediverse is still sensitive to requests from governmental bodies and organizations. Lemmy.zip has already blocked UK users and Lemmy.world will almost certainly do the same. Due to the size of Matrix's biggest homeserver matrix.org, the admins of said homeserver are beginning to follow the OSA and have already raised their minimum age to 18+. And instances who don't follow the Act could be subjected to insurmountable paperwork and even blocked from the UK, Australia and other countries enacting these outrageous laws soon.

Blocking UK users to avoid this is almost a necessity, and as Labour is attempting to get lawmakers to outlaw VPNs, we could be seeing the equivalent of the UK Great Firewall soon. However, it will take significant amounts of time, money and paperwork to outlaw VPNs and to get ISPs to block sites and protocols. This is where federated and open source platforms have an advantage, without being shackled by bureaucracy they are able to quickly adapt. But this is not sustainable, and eventually the UK will become even more overreaching in order to gain more control over people's Internet usage.

Darknets such as Tor, I2P and Yggdrasil are a potential solution, however they have multiple issues. Tor is slow and has a reputation of being used by pedophiles and drug traffickers. I2P is scattered in implementation and cannot handle high load. ~~Yggdrasil is alpha software and requires IPv6, which in many countries is simply not possible to use~~. Whilst these darknets are extremely resistant to censorship from other countries, with the only way to fully dismantle them would be to shutoff all access to the Internet, they still are not capable of handling modern Internet usage.

We might need new completely independent mediums seperate from the Internet to avoid this. Physical bluetooth mesh networks or other technology is an example. Maybe even a new version of dial-up. All I know is that governments will not stop here. I might seem like I'm overreacting here, but we need to be prepared for what is coming.

CORRECTION: I was told by a peer that Yggdrasil peers must have IPv6, however one does not need an IPv6 enabled network to use it, they just need an IPv6 operating system/device, which virtually every modern operating system including Windows and Linux does. Yggdrasil is actually Beta software.

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[–] BC_viper@lemmy.world 13 points 6 days ago (2 children)

I just jack off into the camera every once Ina a while in case any government agent is watching. I don't have to do it. But they have to watch it

[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 14 points 6 days ago

Hate being assigned to this guy

[–] comfy@lemmy.ml 9 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

with the only way to fully dismantle them would be to shutoff all access to the Internet

I don't think this is true. It's a bit complicated because there are ways to obfuscate the traffic, but generally speaking, I'd assume governments could track and block nodes just as easily as you can find them.

Tor is slow

It might trip you up for real-time things like gaming and you might take a while to download HUGE files, but it's much faster than its historical reputation

and has a reputation of being used by pedophiles and drug traffickers

This is true for any privacy software. Encrypted chats, cryptographic currency, darknets. Even the internet itself has that reputation. Anyone trying to hide what they're doing is likely to seek privacy tools. Reputation means nothing.

[–] planish@sh.itjust.works 7 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

Something like Tor only solves half the problem. A Tor hidden service still has physical reality and a person who is hosting it, and who can be held responsible for failing to register the thing with the feds or file a moderation transparency report or whatever the latest nonsense is. The anonymity network helps to hide where the equipment and who the operator is, but there's still a single point of failure and a person to blame for the community.

We need a way to run online communities that are not online services: no single point of failure, no individual or partnership describable as a service's operator, and no meaningful way in which one person provides access to the system to another person.

[–] Misk@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago (2 children)

I don't know enough to know whether this is a dumb suggestion - but could web3 / blockchain hold some of the answers?

[–] planish@sh.itjust.works 1 points 19 hours ago

Probably not any existing systems; you can still finger and thus demand censorship from a block producer, and you end up with situations where you just can't host the chain anymore because it's full of pirated MP3s or whatever now.

And they introduce new problems around having to globally replicate everything and thus getting the net performance out of the system that you get from the worst server involved.

If you need to track some kind of root signing key for a whole p2p system, or something, maybe you can stuff it into Ethereum somewhere. But I don't think you can get very far trying to actually run a service out of a globally replicated database, and even then you'd have hundreds of operators in legal trouble rather than no operator.

[–] Misk@lemmy.world 6 points 6 days ago

The irony of Lemmy not letting me post this until I turned off my VPN 😖

[–] SolarPunker@slrpnk.net 6 points 6 days ago (1 children)

In the future new technologies will maybe bypass internet but right now the best thing to do it's to start being less internet dependent: archive stuff for your home server, buy physical media, preserve what you'd need and like.

[–] DieserTypMatthias@lemmy.ml 1 points 5 days ago

Or start selfhosting.

[–] SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago (1 children)
[–] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 2 points 6 days ago

geocaching + memory sticks

From the picture I'm going to say it should be the great wall of politicians. It may take a while but If pile enough of the up and cement them together one way or the other things will improve.

[–] admin@lmmy.retrowaifu.io 2 points 6 days ago

Thanks for this post and thanks to all the commenters here for great suggestions. Definitely commenting to remind me to come back here and add some of these awesome resources to my home lab.

[–] MITM0@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago

What about LokiNet ?

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