"Left-wing extremism" is a disingenuous way to describe what happens on .ml. It would be more accurately described as "anti-western propaganda."
this post was submitted on 10 Aug 2025
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Its not lemmy.ml Its lemmygrad.ml
That's an important detail.
lemmy.ml users will threaten to kill you for not having the exact same views as they do. they rly have some completely unhinged psychopaths over there.
threaten to kill you for not having the exact same views as they do
looking forward to that laundry list of examples to go with this extreme
I literally had a .ml user threaten me to "put a bullet through my head" just for being on the instance i currently am, calling me a Zionist and a genocide supporter. Without any fucking context. Another one told many people in a post about Gaza to "go kys". Also many comments about ALL german people being Nazis.
Of course all of these comments were removed for promoting violence / racism.
These human shitstains reside on your instance.
Definetely not all but a very radicalised minority.
So one person said a general statement and you jumped to the conclusion that we're all bloodthirsty. Then you watched the genocide continuously comitted by multiple people from another centralized location and don't come to the same conclusion. Weird.
Read my comments again. Where did i say all of you? I explicitely said it's a minority. I didn't watch SHIT, i'm siding with CIVILIANS. How the fuck can you be so radicalized? You feel the need to label me as your enemy without knowing literally anything, proving my point perfectly.
Also you don't seem to have a problem with .ml users being racist af about german people or telling people to literally end their lives. How very very weird of you, Bud.
It is like that, but from my experience lemmygrad is much much worse than .ml
Just "anti-west". Full stop.
It's unbelievably easy to blend into a tankie crowd, there is absolutely no nuance required. I'd even go so far as to say that a nuanced take of any kind actually makes you stick out.
West = Every single thing Bad. China = every single thing Perfect.
Master that formula and you're golden.
I want to specify for everyone, Lemmy.ml and lemmygrad.ml are more pro-Russian and hexbear is more pro-China. All anti-western, but Russia and China aren't on the same side either. The instances tend to be friendly though, but that's where they biases tied to lie. Obviously there are exceptions though.
I don't need to be a fucking tankie to recognize the Israeli genocide of the Palestinians.
The problem with the term Zionism is that it is extremely broad. It technically "just" describes believing that there should be some type of culturally Jewish dominated country. That can mean ethno state but it can also just mean religious holidays are bank hollidays, the same way Christmas is a holiday in many majority Christian countries.
Anti-Zionist as a term is therefore practically useless without a more detailed definition describing what kind of Zionism one means.
I assume their problem is mostly with the "Israelis are colonisers and therefore don't have any right to live anywhere near the region" line of argument. But then again they are from the UK, a country that criminalised Palastine Action, so who knows...
TLDR: you can be a Zionist and still be opposed to the current actions of the Israeli military.
What Zionism as an ideology means has been changing over the course of history. However the goal of a Jewish national state has been achieved in 1948. Everything beyond that had just been expanionism. And 1948 already came with a devastating ethnic cleansing and land annexation.
The study is disingenious in trying to legitimize Zionism, by presenting Anti-Zionism as an extremist idea, rather than acknowledging what it opposes today.
It really isn't that simple though, specifically because there is a cohort of anti Zionists who do want to dissolve the state of Israel. The entire issue is very specifically that the term is overloaded in both directions.
Certainly not. But Russia's genocide in Ukraine? China's genocide in Tibet and Xinjiang? Does one have to be a tankie to deny them?
I think those denials might be defining traits of a tankie, so...yes?
If those are the defining traits then why are they called Tankies and not something related to that?
The term tankies originally comes fro Qm the tianamean square massacre, in which the Chinese government ordered tanks to run over studenta who were protesting. People who denied that this ever happened were called tankies. Nowadays its more of a broad term who deny, that authoritarian regimes like China, North Korea or Russia di anything bad.
It's older.
The term "tankie" was originally used by dissident Marxist–Leninists to describe members of the Communist Party of Great Britain (CPGB) who followed the party line of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union (CPSU). Specifically, it was used to distinguish party members who spoke out in defence of the Soviet use of tanks to suppress the Hungarian Revolution of 1956 and the 1968 Prague Spring
Yeah youre right. I got the info mixed in my head (but to be fair, my version isn't that far off).
Seems like Trump declassified docs about it, and it has nothing to do with TS. https://www.joewrote.com/p/jfk-files-reveal-the-cia-role-in
OK, this doesn't say anything about the term tankie except the author's supposition, which doesn't align to the common understanding, so I don't think it's accurate. This is about the CIA using a "Nazi turned communist turned anti-communist" to fight the USSR. It's just modern tankies using anti-western propoganda to say "actually, it's the Fascists who are tankies!"
Look, the CIA is bad, and the US has done a lot of bad things. This argument is bullshit though. If you read the article you can see that. It has nothing to do with the word tankie except that the author brings up that the USSR sent tanks (as part of the army) in their direction. This isn't the origin of the word tanky almost certainly, and isn't used in any of the stuff referenced. You should read more critically.
I haven't seen anything with commies calling others tankies. Is tankie a term for a group of people or a slur to you?
Also seems like you didnt know that the term tankie comes from the said hungarian uprising mentioned here.
Also seems like you didnt know that the term tankie comes from the said hungarian uprising mentioned here.
Again, there's no evidence for that. It's the author's supposition and nothing more. You're taking the hunch of one author, who says it's just a guess, as fact.
Specifically, it was used to distinguish party members who spoke out in defence of the Soviet use of tanks to suppress the Hungarian Revolution of 1956 and the 1968 Prague Spring…
from the wikipedia page.
I may be misinterpreting what the author of the article you posted meant by this:
"Király’s newfound army fought bloody street battles against the pro-Soviet faction comprised of Hungarian troops, policemen, and civilians. Moscow sent Red Army troops and tanks (hence the name “tankie”) into Budapest and agreed to students’ demands to let Imre Nagy run the government."
To me, it sounds like he's trying to define the people standing up against the Red Army as tankies, rather than the people supporting them. Maybe he meant the well understood meaning of the supporters of the Red Army being tankies. The article to me reads like he's trying to redifine it to say "actually, tankies don't support authoritarian crackdowns on freedom." Again, I could be wrong, but that's what it seems like they're saying to me, which is the opposite of the well understood meaning.
Interesting. May look into it later. The thing I described was the stuff I heard.
Pretty fucked up to put being against Israel's crimes in the same breath as cheering authoritarian violence from Russia, China and North Korea. Somehow it's both bad to cheer for authoritarian violence and to be against authoritarian violence.
obtains popcorn
more nuanced understanding of political extremism
proceeds to conflate anti-Zionist with antisemetic
…I'm beginning to think I know who funded this research…
I am observing the discourse here on Lemmy for a while and my honest opinion is: It's not only Lemmygrad and other special platforms, its the network as a whole - it is turning into an extreme-left cesspool akin to what is X and Truth Social for the right.