Political Memes

There's lots of discussion below, but liberalism is the belief that enfranchisement and liberation comes from private property, which at one time was progressive in the face of feudalism. But since WW1, liberalism has not been a progressive movement as it has captured all of the private property in the world. Liberals are capitalists, leftists are not. Leftists (mostly) believe in class struggle, liberals (mostly) do not.

Leftists see the problems with private property and strive for social enfranchisement, even at the expense of private property rights, particularly where such "rights" are a function of one dominant class over the rest. To leftists, the social is material. Liberals mostly struggle to even conceive of this.

There are not clear bright lines, it is a messy spectrum of belief and politics, particularly in the US where we are so individualistic. For example I usually find it easier to work with so called progressive liberals than authoritarian leftists, although this can vary dramatically over a variety of political issues. Sometimes Authoritarian Leftists work best with Progressive liberals, and leave moderate, practical leftists out! So there is no simple formula, except to deal with the actual conditions and act on behalf of the whole working class, rather than a particular group or unique subset of interests, in the struggle against the ruling capitalist class. This looks different in different places to different people, progress and truth is borne out of actual class struggle.

The party is conservative, their constituents are being lied to. They just need to realize that electoral politics will not save us. Hopefully they do this before it's too late.

.ml leading the charge on this.

I see a lot of other really suspicious shit around Lemmy. I have a suspicion it's trying to be used like r/the_donald was.

Lol. Yeah im sure that it's China and Russians who are causing leftist to not trust liberals. The last 300 years of human history in which liberals gleefully murdered leftists has nothing to do with it.

Oh, the problem is much deeper than definitions. One group is socially progressive but economically right. Then, the other group is both progressive on social and economic issues. The economic policies is where the rift is.

Edit: wording

There is no far left political party but there are plenty of people who are far left. Yes, even by the European standards of the left.

We have two viable political parties.

Fascist extremists and their enablers. Vote blue no matter who, so maybe the fascists won't come for you.

We have leftists with no one to vote for, shut out of politics by liberal NIMBYs who want good things to happen, they just don't want to see them. More concerned about the value of their house than the value of human life. We have extreme leftists, they're just not allowed to participate. And as of yet, none of them exist in enough numbers in the same place to start throwing Molotovs

I'm sure there's an actual Left in the USA, but it's not covered by any of the big parties.

Yes, but I hate Trump more.
An inch of gained ground is better than a mile of lost ground.

I don't think the right did that to the left. We did it to ourselves. In contrast, the right is somehow really good at putting aside differences to work toward a common goal. I want to know how we can copy that.

I don't call tankies "left".