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[–] Hjalamanger@feddit.nu 21 points 2 months ago (3 children)

From this shot it looks impossible to get a bike from somewhere in the middle, but I assume there are paths? I'd love to see a few more pictures

[–] Humanius@lemmy.world 29 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

This is Eindhoven Centraal, in the Netherlands.
Yes there is lanes. It's just a small lot on the south side of the station.

There is actually far more parking at this station than the image would imply.
The parking lot on the north side is quite a bit larger (it has double height racks, and also recently got expanded). There is also another small lot on the south side, and two more underground bike parking garages as well.

They are also planning to rework the area around the station, the plans for which include a further expansion of the underground parking garages

[–] tyler@programming.dev 16 points 2 months ago (1 children)

What an absolutely fantastic photo to show the difference between cars and bikes.

[–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Open street map even has the exact numbers for you. Well at least for the bikes. I roughly counted 80 car spots and considering most cars only move one person thats around a 8:1 space efficiency difference.

[–] Humanius@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

I'm not sure if that number is correct.

I counted the bikes at the request of @tyler@discuss.tchncs.de
My rough estimate is about 1200 bikes, so that is closer to 1:15.

[–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Idk if the entire lot has bike racks or if there is just a lot of flat ground with not infrastructure. But even if there are racks everywhere, people will always just park their bikes randomly into the smallest gap. The osm data could just be out of date ofcourse, but its probably just based on the number of bike racks/bars. Thats the only way you could reasonably map it imo.

[–] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

OSM nerd here: yeah capacity is specifically the designed capacity, not how many vehicles you could physically cram in there with a crew and a mathematician.

I have been doing some streetcomplete and thats basically what ive seen so far too. Thanks for the confirmation :)

[–] Humanius@lemmy.world 17 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I cycled there real quick


Looks like they've since converted the car park to a temporary taxi stand and disabled parking lot as well

[–] Hjalamanger@feddit.nu 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Nice, thanks for the pictures (:

Also, impressive that they've removed the parking lots

[–] Humanius@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

It's all part of the station rework. They are going to use that space for housing.
Looks like the construction made the taxi stand temporarily unreachable, so this appears to be the solution they came up with.

Edit: Worth noting that on the north side of the station there is an underground car parking garage, so it's not like they have removed all parking.

I do think the accessibility of the station is quite well balanced though. It's pretty clear that bike and bus are the main methods by which they expect you to come to the station, with taxi and car as an option.

[–] tyler@programming.dev 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

If you had to estimate, how many bikes?

[–] Humanius@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Counted 99 bikes in one row, for a total of 10 rows and 4 partial rows.
So I'm guestimating about 1200 bikes

[–] huppakee@feddit.nl 2 points 2 months ago

Sounds about right, Amsterdam, Rotterdam, The Hague and Utrecht all have large indoor bike parking for a few thousand as well. There is also a lot of bikes on the other side of the station.

[–] Deadlytosty@feddit.nl 11 points 2 months ago

Yeah we have lanes normally. Still can be a bitch if you have to wiggle it free from 5 surrounding bikes. At stations or busy areas there are also racks to put your bikes in and on top off, so we can use double the space for bikes. I am from the Netherlands and have lived in student cities, and Amsterdam.

[–] nightwatch_admin@feddit.nl 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Where is this? The amount of bikes suggests NL but it looks more like Germany…

[–] Humanius@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] nightwatch_admin@feddit.nl 2 points 1 month ago

Eindhôve de gekste!

[–] IllNess@infosec.pub 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I wanted to move to the Netherlands because of their biking culture. But citizenship is difficult and I don't speak Dutch.

[–] huppakee@feddit.nl 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Plenty of people here dont speak dutch, that is only is a problem if you also don't speak English. Citizenship is difficult, but if you can find a job your employer will help you with the paperwork. There are some fields with high demand for labour.

[–] IllNess@infosec.pub 5 points 2 months ago

I'll do my research. Thank you for the info.

[–] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 months ago

If those were cars, it would require the land area of a small country to squeeze them all in!

That assumes they are regular sized cars, not the Ford Tanks you see every other person driving in North America. 😵

[–] QualifiedKitten@discuss.online 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Do my eyes deceive me, or are they just sitting there, not locked up to bike racks?

[–] Humanius@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

There is bike racks for most spots. I personally prefer parking at the north side though.
Source: Eindhoven is my city :)

[–] QualifiedKitten@discuss.online 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

But like... Some people do leave their bikes there completely unlocked?? I live in a city in the US that has decent (by US standards) bike infrastructure, and everyone I know that has a moderately decent bike is pretty paranoid about where they park it. No one would ever leave a bike unlocked, and even many bike racks aren't considered secure enough for anything other than a total beater bike.

[–] Humanius@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

No, bike theft is a thing also in the Netherlands

Most bikes come with a frame lock for short stops, and they are usually paired with a chain lock for more security.

I would imagine the bikes that are not secured to a rack in the picture are locked twice. Personally I don't trust that at the station (too risky) and I always lock it to a rack with my chain lock

[–] IllNess@infosec.pub 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

You can sometimes find your bike in a nearby market for a fee. By a fee I mean they stole it and they are selling it back to you.

[–] Humanius@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago

There is a bit of a running joke in my city that if your bike got stolen you can buy one for five euros at the station. Just approach the guy with the bolt cutters.

[–] ramble81@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 months ago

Wait. You mean all those bikes outside of the station weren’t grab-and-go?! Hope the guy found his bike after I was done using it!

(Kidding, but the thought crossed my mind)

[–] hodgepodgin@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 months ago

Imagine how many empty fields of asphalt we could have instead

[–] LegoBrickOnFire@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I saw something like this next to the train station in Antwerpen Berchem. I always wondered if most of those bike where still in active use, or abandonned. How do they make sure that abamdonned bike don't clutter the space for eternity?

[–] Successful_Try543@feddit.org 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

At my university, from time to time, the administration attached notes at the bikes, marking them for being removed until a specified date.

[–] Humanius@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Yes, that system in also in place in Eindhoven and enforced heavily at the station.

If they suspect that your bike has been abandoned it gets a sticker on the frame warning you when it will be removed at a certain date.

If it isnt abandoned you can just remove the sticker and that will be the sign that it's still owned and used. Otherwise it gets taken to a depot, and sold after a grace period of (I believe) a year.

[–] qevlarr@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Eindhovuhhhhhhh

[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Some of them might have been four wheelers when they were young, you never know!

[–] quick_snail@feddit.nl 2 points 1 month ago

Whose the asshole that double parked?