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[–] Daryl@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Let's take the kown facts from what the police have said, and develop an alternative narrative, just as likely as the one Ford espoused, by filling in the gaps with just as valid conjecture.

Mary (obviously no real names are used) is being abused by her boyfriend Bob. Mary decides to move out, and Bob is angry. He will not let her take any of her belongings.

Mary enlists the help of her somewhat nefarious acquaintance, Peter, who has had dealings with Bob on the past and they do not like each other.

So Peter, at Mary's behest, goes to Bob's place to collect Mary's rightfully owned possessions, using force if becessary, because after all they do Belong to Mary. (Bailiffs do this all the time, it is a grey area of law - >Bailiffs and assistant bailiffs generally cannot use force or the threat of force when carrying out their duties. Under the Repair and Storage Liens Act, if the bailiff is acting under a writ of seizure, they may use reasonable force to enter land and premises in some circumstances If so, then other rules may apply. Bailiffs and assistant bailiffs must leave if you tell them to. If they don’t leave, you may wish to contact your local police and inform them that the bailiff or assistant bailiff does not have your consent. In these cases, the repossession or seizure is not deemed “peaceful”. Afterwards, you can also file a complaint with the ministry. https://www.ontario.ca/page/your-rights-when-dealing-bailiff). Bob lets Peter in, reluctantly, but objects to what Peter is taking (ownership is in dispute). A fight breaks out. Peter has taken tools to disassemble some of Mary's belongings, which can also be classified as break-and-enter or dangerous weapons (a screwdriver). Bob decides to teach both Peter AND Mary exactly who is the boss. So Bob gets the worst of it, neighbors call in the police, Bob gets taken to the hospital, and Peter claims 'self-defense'. The police, having knowledge of all of them, decide to charge everybody and let the detectives, attorneys, forensics, and the Judge to sort everything out.This is a mix of family, civil and criminal law and the boundaries are blurred..

So Peter not only has regularly beaten the crap out of Mary, he has beaten the crap out of Peter, and somehow he is the victim?

I would submit that this is not actually an uncommon occurrence, that the police, attorneys, and courts deal with regularly. Except that someone ended up in the hospital, perhaps the most innocent Samaritan of all..

Suddenly, the media tables are turned. Who does the media side with? Does Peter now have the unmitigated right to defend his home with any amount of force necessary against this battered spouse's representative 'invading' her own home to get her belongings back?

[–] lost_faith@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (18 children)

You break into a house, threaten the people inside, you get what you deserve. If they break your bones or end your life, THAT is the risk YOU take. Fuck this holding the VICTIM responsible. Not much I like from US law, but stand your ground and castle doctrine really ring true for me after being home invaded, robbed, and beaten by 3 invaders. What did the cops do? fuck all. Next fucker breaks intro my house will be dealing with trauma for the rest of their lives.

edit: Thank you to all who up AND down voted, and engaged in conversation, I appreciate it, and it was cathartic. I won't be responding to any more of this post as I have said all I will on this. Remember to not get too mad at dissenting opinions and try to have a great day.

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[–] Daryl@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 weeks ago (7 children)

Why do I get this strange feeling that the last laugh could easily be from this 'intruder', when he wins a multi-million-dollar defamation suit against all the media, and Ford, for portraying him as a 'guilty home invader' instead of the victim, because we really do not know all of the facts - what happens if it turns out the facts establish that he was actually invited in, and the home-owner attacked him first, then tried to invoke his innocence by declaring 'self defense'? Perhaps a drug deal gone bad?

The police refer to an 'intruder', and 'break-and-enter', but these claims are 'alleged' and have not been established in a court of law. Apparently, according to one article I read, the two knew each other.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/article/ont-man-charged-with-assaulting-home-intruder-used-knife-court-docs-say/

'It's not over until it's over', and even then, it is not always over.

[–] Daryl@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 weeks ago

Police took the rare step of issuing a statement after they said that news of the arrest “generated significant public interest and emotional responses” as well as “unjust and inaccurate” commentary about the officers involved.

They said investigators examined all information and evidence that was available to them before laying any charges, adding that only a limited amount of information is being released to the public at this time about this incident as to both protect the investigation as well as ensure the right of the accused during their court proceedings.

“The role of the police is to investigate impartially and present findings to the justice system, which ultimately determines the outcome,” the statement notes.

“We encourage you to follow this matter as it proceeds through the justice system.”

https://www.ctvnews.ca/toronto/article/premier-speaks-out-after-ontario-resident-charged-with-assault-following-home-invasion/

Most of the alleged 'facts' presented to the public so far are, at best, fabrications of the public imagination. Did Ford even once use the term 'alleged', or similar? His statements were made in public, not covered by parliamentary privilege.

He has revealed his rue colors - just like Trump, he wants to be judge, prosecutor, police commander, jury, and executioner. Ford wants to be the only Law that exists.

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[–] skozzii@lemmy.ca -3 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

I don't care what the reason is, if you break into a home - the actual home, you deserve whatever you get, no restrictions.

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[–] Daryl@lemmy.ca -3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

So let's review the difference between:

"You broke into my house and I am going to teach you a lesson you will never forget" which is against Canadian law (it is the Courts that met out justice),

and

"You broke into my house and I am going to stop you from doing further damage or injury" which Canadian law allows, and is the meaning of 'Self Defense" in Canada.

If Ford disagrees with this, he should run for governor of an American state, not the premiere of a Canadian province.

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