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If you found yourself transported to early 1788 Philadelphia, say about a year before the U.S. Constitution was signed, an if the Founding Fathers were all willing to hear you out, what would be some of the first things you'd say specifically to warn them and try to prevent some of the bad things that have happened in the real-world timeline since then? Basically, what differences would you want to see made to the U.S. Constitution from the beginning and how would you impress specifically on the Founding Fathers the necessity of diverging from their instincts in specifically those ways?

And keep in mind the Founding Fathers' beliefs on things like slavery, "the free market", guns, LGBTQIA+, etc.

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[–] dustyData@lemmy.world 17 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

A constitution should have an expiry date, when redraft, amendment or ratification of articles should occur with a mandatory new congress.

Senators should not exist. Or should be two senators per state and a Congress proportional to population distribution

Parliamentary instead of a presidential federal union.

All congressional decisions should operate on the basis of consensus minus one instead of first past the post. Or at least 2/3rds minimum rule. Force the suckers to actually deliberate.

A shutdown congress is a dissolved congress, go back to voting if a functioning government can't be made.

[–] magnetosphere@fedia.io 6 points 3 weeks ago

I think I remember from history class that Congress, as it currently exists, was a major source of contention when the government was being planned. States with large populations only wanted something like our current House. States with small populations demanded equal representation, and wanted the equivalent of our Senate. Neither idea could pass on its own. A compromise, combining both ideas, was difficult to pass, but left us where we are now.

I agree with you, though.

[–] Dogyote@slrpnk.net 15 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)
  1. The Senate is antidemocratic
  2. The electoral college is antidemocratic
  3. Slavery is wrong, stop that shit right now. Yes Jefferson, I'm looking at you, in the future we all know what you did, err, are doing.
  4. There will be over 300 million people in this country and their collective will is largely ignored by our "elected" representatives because gerrymandering has become a science. You don't know what that is? Fine, just write down that elected representatives can't draw their own districts. Seriously, that's what they're doing.
  5. Money is not speech, write that down. Doesn't matter where. Yes really.
  6. Did I mention how undemocratic everything has become?
  7. Private health insurance is illegal. It doesn't matter if you don't know what that is, write it down.
  8. Look at this gun. Anyone can purchase this. ANYONE-bang-CAN-bang-BUY-bang-THIS... bang.
  9. You know what? Here's what we're going to do. I tell you what to write and you do it, if not, I'll shoot more than your ceiling. There's 30 rounds in this thing and it takes me two seconds to reload. "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs..."
[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Most of the founding fathers were anti-democratic too.

[–] ToastedRavioli@midwest.social 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Several of them were literally royalists that were opposed to the revolution until they realized it was too late to change public opinion. Particularly Ben Franklin

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 3 points 3 weeks ago

They'd think #8 was fucking sweet, they literally bought cannons to fight the government with their personally funded armies.

[–] TomMasz@lemmy.world 12 points 3 weeks ago

Imagine the worst thing that could happen and explicitly make it clear they’re illegal. Checks and balances won’t be enough someday, you can’t depend on people enforcing them.

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 11 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Holding up a fat blunt to Franklin: Hey, bro, wanna get high?

Later, when we're both toasted: Dude, what do you think about this shit? shows him his picture on the $100 bill

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 6 points 3 weeks ago

BF: What the fuck, bro, why'd you use old me? Draw me young and sexy.

[–] dhork@lemmy.world 10 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I'm a simple man, I would just go out drinking with Ben Franklin all night

[–] magnetosphere@fedia.io 2 points 3 weeks ago

An interesting, intelligent, flawed person who knew how to have a good time. I think you’ve made the best call here.

[–] TootSweet@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago

To answer myself, I think likely one of the first things I'd mention is corporate personhood. I have a feeling the Founding Fathers never considered that that could possibly ever be a thing and that's probably a big part of why they wouldn't have included something specifically about it in the constitution. But just something like "the Bill of Rights only applies to 'natural persons'" would have been great.

[–] greygore@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago

“Okay, this one is a freebie, since you’re going to figure it out relatively quickly, but making the runner up to the Presidency is just dumb. Having your political rival as the next in line is just… c’mon, you can do better than that.

Next, I know some of you are concerned about factions. It’s human nature to band together so you can’t really stop this, sorry. That said, this first-past-the-post system is awful and will result in a duopoly and a race to the bottom. If you just adopt ranked choice voting to start with, these factions won’t be neutralized but at least you can ensure more diverse political factions and limit their power to dominate other factions.

Now then, the second amendment. I know it seems straightforward to you, but eventually this language will be too vague. Additionally, those muskets are eventually going to evolve into easily concealable firearms that can fire a dozen or more deadly accurate shots and be reloaded in under a second. Ironically, they’ll still be wildly outclassed by what a tyrant can field against patriots exercising their rights. I’m not going to tell you what you should do, but at the very least you should clarify what a “well regulated militia” means. Yeah, I know the Constitution can be amended so that it can evolve around those firearms, but it remember my previous point? That duopoly will ensure that nothing is done about this and people will argue past each other.

What’s next? Oh yeah… you know that clever set of checks & balances y’all designed? Sure it makes sense that each branch would jealously guard their political power, but those factions are going to prefer to centralize all their power behind a single executive. I know you all who supported the Articles of Confederation are horrified about that idea, but eventually things will evolve back to an elected monarchy, and once they consolidate enough power that elected part will probably disappear too. So uh, might want to strengthen those checks & balances. Good luck on that one.

Finally, I know y’all can’t envision a world without slavery. I get that the southern states are dependent on it and therefore abolishing it overnight seems impossible, but kicking the can down the road (do you guys know that idiom?) is just going to make the problem worse. It will literally divide the country in two and will have major ramifications many centuries later. If you can’t abolish it now, at least put a framework in place to transition away. Maybe in a way that respects those wonderful values you profess in the Declaration of Independence that only apply to a handful of landowning men for now.”

[–] FaceDeer@fedia.io 8 points 3 weeks ago

The problem is that they might not be too upset about how things have gone. Aside from blacks having the vote. And women. And non-landowners.

The "founding fathers" have been deified by Americans, just like the document they wrote. They were the oligarchs of their era, they just wanted to tax America without giving a cut to England and they came up with some pleasing words to convince everyone else to go along with it.

[–] Montagge@lemmy.zip 5 points 3 weeks ago

No one is going to use the 2nd amendment.

[–] Postmortal_Pop@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago

Codify your rules in solid, non negotiable terms. Anything up to interpretation will be used to cheat.

[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago

A strong executive is a terrible terrible idea. The single worst export the United States will ever have is the presidential democracy. It fails everywhere and it will fail here multiple times.

[–] tiredofsametab@fedia.io 4 points 3 weeks ago

I don't think there's anything terribly useful that could be said. There were already factions fighting over more central power or a loose confederation. Multiple attempts to get things going failed in various ways before finally something was agreed upon. You can look at the bill of rights and what that was a response to.

Some rando in weird clothes showing up claiming to have advice for them is probably not going to go well to begin with. The most rational response would be to get that nutjob out or in prison.

[–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago

Hand them a history book of the last two centuries of democracies. Give them some more and modern examples of what makes democracies succeed and fail.

[–] Brkdncr@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago
  • Force people to vote.
  • Outlaw PACs.
  • House of reps needs to deal with states that have huge populations.
  • how do you deal with a government ruled by nut jobs?
[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago

"Look, I know this is going to SOUND crazy, but hear me out on this... You need to make it so convicted felons are ineligible for office. Just trust me on this."

Followed by:

"Hey Ben, you need to see this thing called 'YouTube'."