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[–] nialv7@lemmy.world 18 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

Okay I am a big fan of brutalist architecture. Guess I am in the minority... I feel the philosophy behind it is just being wildly misunderstood.

[–] klemptor@startrek.website 6 points 17 hours ago

I love brutalist architecture.

[–] icelimit@lemmy.ml 6 points 17 hours ago (5 children)

Can you share a little about the philosophy behind brutalism?

[–] dickalan@lemmy.world 4 points 17 hours ago

It’s just so BRUTAL. What more to saaay

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[–] unconsequential@slrpnk.net 21 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

Modern and brutalist architecture can have that effect on people. Fuck concrete, and fuck neo-imperialist colonial architecture.

Concrete is horrible for the environment and its fucked up global emissions of buildings and architecture. (Cement production alone constitutes 8% of global emissions, not considering its inefficiency in thermal lifecycles of a building and ultimate un-renewable waste). It is in fact not the best fit for every circumstance.

One shoe fits all architecture trends have effectively killed vernacular wisdom and climate conscious local innovation. Favoring “cheap” garbage that jacks up costs in other sectors, damages climate and ignores localized need, requiring complex, often power-hungry, solutions like extensive BAS to try and counterbalance their piss poor application.

(For those unaware modern buildings when all is said and done account for over 40% of global emissions. And the heating/cooling systems far outpace keeping the lights on in terms of energy consumption (something like 2/3 of the total buildings demands over time). Tackling that behemoth number is going to take a multifaceted approach but the importance of materials and place-specific design cannot be understated.)

  • sincerely, someone whose installed one too many motors for automated blinds and slapdash bandaid HVAC solutions.
[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 10 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

95% sure you're the brother

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[–] icelimit@lemmy.ml 5 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

Doesn't concrete also absorb CO2?

Or was that cement

[–] unconsequential@slrpnk.net 6 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Shah also said that “cement carbonation requires very specific conditions” including humidity of between 40 and 80 per cent and open-air conditions.

“Submerged or buried concrete or concrete will not undergo carbonation,” he said, adding that “concrete carbonation happens at an extremely slow rate: an average of one to two millimetres per year.”

Shah added that he was “a bit frustrated with the IPCC using the word ‘sink’ because that gives the impression that it is beneficial.”

“Cement and concrete are not carbon sinks,” Shah said. “They are net sources [of CO2].”

Article: Cement and Concrete “are not carbon sinks” says Cambridge material scientist

Also: “Carbonation in concrete refers to the chemical reaction between carbon dioxide (CO₂) from the atmosphere and calcium hydroxide in the concrete. This reaction forms calcium carbonate and gradually reduces the pH of the concrete, which can lead to the corrosion of embedded steel reinforcement.”

So, not exactly a process you want to occur in your buildings or bridges. So if you’re hoping waiting around until it turns into limestone (if it’s not buried, submerged or sealed) it will probably mostly be demolished and long buried in a landfill somewhere potentially leaking toxins where it will never undergo the natural processes to absorb carbon anyway.

Beautiful in theory but impractical in mass scale execution. But certainly a good way to justify the continuation of a multibillion dollar industry. (This is not to say that there aren’t serious material scientists working on this problem, but a lot of it unfortunately is straight up greenwashing rather than advocating for reduction in initial footprint and investment in long-term sustainable alternatives.)

[–] icelimit@lemmy.ml 4 points 15 hours ago

Thanks for the fact check!

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[–] insomniac_lemon@lemmy.cafe 74 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Must not know about asphalt yet...

A crumbling asphalt road with a window-sized pothole revealing a layer of red brick underneath

[–] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 42 points 23 hours ago (4 children)

I'm sorry, is this asphalt over baked paving stones? And if so, why?

Or is this a pothole filled up with stone? And if so, why?

[–] insomniac_lemon@lemmy.cafe 34 points 22 hours ago (3 children)

It is indeed paved over. I'm sure there are reasons, but probably not good ones given potholes like this. Aside from initial cost, for large vehicles+higher speeds. IMO seems a bit like gluing carpet over wooden floorboards (which is another anger-inducing thing, especially if you've lived in a house with a carpeted bathroom).

Not Just Bikes has a video on brick roads in the Netherlands (the bricks being called Klinkers, video called Natural Handcrafted Artisanal ... Streets?!), how they allow easier maintenance/re-use, brick designs instead of painting the surface after, worn klinkers used in historic areas etc.

[–] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 18 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (2 children)

Oh yeah, klinkers (if they're baked clay) or the much less inspired sounding betonstraatstenen (concrete street stones) definitely have their benefits, but that video really skips over what a literally backbreaking job it is to pave a street like that, or how slippery these stones get when wet (less so for concrete or textured baked clay).

It's mandatory to do anything over 2 hours of bricklaying by machine now, but that requires packaged stone. And packaging stone is even worse than relaying it from a pile, so you end up loading it into a truck, shipping it off for packaging and then moving it back.

You can design around that, most of the time, but we haven't been doing that, so lots of handwork remains, which is not great for your health.

Of course, running asphalt over a street like this gets you the worst of both worlds, and its begging for potholes since the two materials match up really poorly. You do occasionally see it in the Netherlands on old roads on top of dikes that were "modernized" in the 70s and 80s.

(Edit: it's actually more a synergy of shittyness, because you can't really reuse most of the asphalt, because you don't brickdust in it, and you can't reuse the bricks because there's asphalt on them)

Source: am dutch, took a year of civil engineering, ended up doing lots of safety and regulatory stuff for roadworks.

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[–] Hubi@feddit.org 4 points 17 hours ago

I’m sorry, is this asphalt over baked paving stones? And if so, why?

This is what happened in a lot of European cities, they just paved over the cobblestone. I've seen something similar in a especially deep pothole in my neighborhood. Felt like a glimpse into the past.

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[–] hansolo@lemmy.today 55 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (4 children)

Don't know why, but I totally get this. Like, 100%, I just have it as a general feeling of disgust that I can ignore.

Edit: specifically cement blocks like the one pictured. That exact shape and texture of cement is the worst for me.

[–] masterspace@lemmy.ca 44 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (2 children)

I understand the distaste for the aesthetics. But it's a pretty inarguably better material from a structural, cost, sound blocking, etc. standpoint.

Don't get me wrong, I love red brick, and personally want a red brick house, but I also recognize the sheer practicality of concrete blocks and would probably pick that with a brick veneer if I actually had to pay for it to be built new.

[–] Jesus_666@lemmy.world 19 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

That's literally how many German private houses are built: Autoclaved aerated concrete with a brick cladding. Looks nice and provides a lot of thermal insulation.

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 18 hours ago

Your MOM looks nice and provides a lot of thermal insulation!

Good on her for taking care of herself and her home.

[–] hansolo@lemmy.today 14 points 22 hours ago (3 children)

Oh no, far more visceral. Nothing about the aesthetics.

The brick pictured makes my hands feel dry and papery. That's from when I was a kid, so I know what that's about. Buuuut....

There was a period where cement was used on wire frames to do sculpture - makes me want to gag. Fully repulsive to me. A tree made from cement angers me. It's all trash to me, zero redeeming elements.

A large cement column in a building under construction? I intentionally avoid it so as not to touch it. They smell bad, too. Once painted, I'm totally fine with them.

Dry cement powder? I would rather touch fire.

It's a sensory processing thing. Can't explain it more than that I guess.

[–] burntbacon@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 15 hours ago

I feel you on this. Helping with the family's construction projects still makes me writhe years later.

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[–] gray@lemmy.ml 24 points 20 hours ago (11 children)

Concrete is a major driver of CO2 emissions. Fuck concrete.

[–] Saleh@feddit.org 11 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

bricks made by burning clay aren't that much better. Especially considering that you need more bricks for columns and other load bearing structures.

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[–] olafurp@lemmy.world 2 points 13 hours ago

This is the way

[–] jupiter2643@lemmy.ml 29 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] masterspace@lemmy.ca 27 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Did you read that link before posting?

In comparison with other construction materials (aluminium, steel, even brick), concrete is one of the least energy-intensive building materials.[2]

[–] okwhateverdude@lemmy.world 12 points 20 hours ago (3 children)

Except it isn't just about the energy intensity, but specifically the CO2 emission from the concrete process itself.

From the link's sources:

https://www.chathamhouse.org/sites/default/files/publications/2018-06-13-making-concrete-change-cement-lehne-preston-final.pdf

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[–] El_Scapacabra@lemmy.zip 8 points 20 hours ago

Better keep this kid far away from any bulldozers.

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