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Google has been trying to make Android proprietary for a few years now, and that's not news, as many AOSP default apps have been abandoned over time in favor of proprietary Google ones. This was never a huge problem for me, as you can still use those apps without network access or use open source alternatives like Fossify on a custom ROM.

However, the situation is quickly getting worse, now that Google is actively trying to prevent the development of custom ROMs and taking a page from Apple's book by forcing developers to beg them for permission to release apps on the Android platform, even outside of the Play Store - giving Google full control.

Is there still any hope left for privacy respecting Android ROMs? What do you think will happen next? And what would be your suggestions for those looking for a phone in 2025?

If you have a different perspective on the situation, also please comment below!

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[–] jeff_hykin@lemmy.world 35 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Yes, absolutely there is hope.

Phones that don't support Google play services (AKA any hardcore privacy phone) will not be directly effected by Google restricting sideloading. The restriction is only for phones that use the Google suite. (source: https://9to5google.com/2025/08/25/android-apps-developer-verification/ "This requirement applies to 'certified Android devices' that have Play Protect and are preloaded with Google apps.") Graphene OS isn't going anywhere, AOSP is open source, even if Google tried to make that change in the OS, the community would hard-fork AOSP instantly and continue like nothing ever happened.

Realistically this is going to squeeze people "in the middle" towards fully-google controlled Android (one exteme) and towards fully-de-googled Android (the other extreme). Its just elminating the middle. Which is bad for people trying to gradually de-google their life, but not as dire as it might seem.

On the bright side, this is an opportunity for play-services spoofing to become commonplace and easy, and could cause more apps to avoid google play services. The EU also has a shot at forcing google to allow sideloading, since they've recently been forcing Apple to move in that direction.

So, while not a bright future, its far from hopeless for privacy respecting Android phones.

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[–] SlartyBartFast@sh.itjust.works 18 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Fuck it, I'm going back to Landline

[–] EveryMuffinIsNowEncrypted@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Weary traveler, I beseeth thee to not harken down this path.

I hear tales of dark spirits haunting those old byways. Ones of greed, with an emotionless façade, and hunger for gold from too-eager souls.

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[–] ramble81@lemmy.zip 23 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Said this in another thread

So how long until celluar providers also say you have to have a trusted device to activate your SIM? Apple, Google, Samsung, automotive and Windows would be fine and they’d probably allow their branded or limited hotspots.

This would basically eliminate any Linux option (pc or phone), and DIY devices. I could see other OOB vendors getting on board to be certified to have a certificate issued to them.

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 days ago

with esim, this gets even easier for them to do.

[–] generator@lemmy.zip 33 points 2 days ago (2 children)

"Linux phones will skyrocketed" by who? Nerds, the comum user doesn't care if Android is proprietary or opensource, they don't even know.

There's already other mobile OS but have the same issue, no apps or developers interested on making apps for it.

FirefoxOS, Ubuntu touch, something else Linux based, it's for some nerds play on a secondary phone.

Comum people don't stop using Windows or macOS because it's proprietary or a privacy nightmare. EU didn't stop selling iPhones because it's proprietary.

It's the device vendors that decide which OS would ship, and people will use it

[–] timbuck2themoon@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

And yet Linux usage on desktop is rising.

Not as much as it should be IMO but it's fallacy to think things won't change.

Or is IBM still top dog?

[–] generator@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 day ago

Because the main apps used on other systems work on Linux, and also games.

Linux phones now is more Linux in early 2000, a few apps that kinda work, you don't have banking apps, games, android auto like, streaming apps or any of most common apps used by users

[–] traceur201@piefed.social 12 points 2 days ago (2 children)

With that attitude it is 💅

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[–] who@feddit.org 11 points 2 days ago

Related: Has anyone here used Pretty Good Phone Privacy (PGPP)?

https://invisv.com/pgpp/

https://www.usenix.org/system/files/sec21-schmitt.pdf

[–] WhatGodIsMadeOf@feddit.org 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

There's no hope for privacy at all as long as American and the 5 eyes exist.

[–] angband@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

I was thinking this. With advances in text recognition, they can potentially filter all that data now. Since five eyes is essentially for industrial espionage, google first requiring access to source code to ensure compatibility, and that you can't really turn off chrome web page sniffing (I have found the disabled chrome app still running, with "force stop" available,) all this makes more sense than the little bit they'd squeeze out of ad revenue chasing people who avoid chrome and google assistant. After all, it isn't bad actors or people who already buy from google they are spending so much effort on - it is the tech competent.

[–] irmadlad@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I've always wanted to try one of these.

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

yeah i can see this kinda thing becoming the resistance by the looks of it. i'm already wondering to myself if it could be practical to use something like this with postmarket or aosp.

i wonder if i could make it thinner and more ergonomic if i desoldered unused io.

[–] VicSquid@lemmy.zip 19 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Well, I'm still hoping for Linux phones to skyrocket a bit when more people realize we're fucked with Google. But as of today I don't think we have a reliable alternative for day to day use...

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[–] spacemanspiffy@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago (5 children)

I'm not gonna go looking for it or share it, but I am here using my Librem 5 and kinda feeling like that kid in the meme hitting a bong in the background while people in the foreground fight.

[–] monovergent@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

How much does the Librem 5 satisfy what you want out of a daily driver phone?

[–] spacemanspiffy@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I am satisfied with it. Calls/SMS/MMS all work fine. Internet and the few apps I use work fine.

I will admit though that many (most?) others might not agree. Banking apps, GPS navigation, these are things I don't care about.

I have gripes with the L5 but I am never, ever going back. My next phone will probably be Purism's next phone, if they have one.

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[–] upstroke4448@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

Yes. As long as GrapheneOS still exists there is at least some hope. The sad thing is even before this outside of GrapheneOS there really isn't any other "ROM" actually focused on privacy.

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