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[–] HalfSalesman@lemmy.world 20 points 6 days ago (2 children)

I know it against the spirit of the post but I have to go on a rant here.

"adulting"

I hate that word, its so stupid. It implies self infantilization, when in reality its use is just indicative of one's attitude towards work or getting anything done. And wanting everyone else around them to take care of things.

Every roommate I've had who used that fucking word did not do fucking shit around the house. They were always the victim when some disagreement happened. They sometimes got mad when I asked for their portion of rent. Just absolutely manipulative narcissistic perpetual victims that expected me or other's to do everything for them.

As soon as I save up and move I will be so happy to finally live alone for the first time in my life. Rent will be more expensive and I'll save way less but at least there will be fewer human variables like that to deal with.

[–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 1 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

“adulting”

I hate that word, its so stupid. It implies self infantilization, when in reality its use is just indicative of one’s attitude towards work or getting anything done.

I don't mind the word. Its more specific. People can still get things done, but they may be things that give them a dopamine hit like completing a personal project or finishing off the final boss in game. It doesn't get things done that deal with adult responsibilities. Further many of us suffer from mild mental health challenges such as ADHD and various locations on the spectrum so there are very real challenges beyond just "one’s attitude towards work".

Its okay to use the word "adulting" to recognize efforts that need to be undertaken to take care of your adult responsibilities. This doesn't mean that someone can be allowed to simply delegate their own adult responsibilities on others using this word.

As soon as I save up and move I will be so happy to finally live alone for the first time in my life. Rent will be more expensive and I’ll save way less but at least there will be fewer human variables like that to deal with.

Having your own living space is wonderful! Its also a good test to know if you have all the life skills you need. I am hopeful you can get this soon.

[–] HalfSalesman@lemmy.world 1 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (1 children)

I don’t mind the word. Its more specific. People can still get things done, but they may be things that give them a dopamine hit like completing a personal project or finishing off the final boss in game. It doesn’t get things done that deal with adult responsibilities. Further many of us suffer from mild mental health challenges such as ADHD and various locations on the spectrum so there are very real challenges beyond just “one’s attitude towards work”.

I have Autism, and I've lived with people with ADHD. Its been a mixed bag in terms of roommates for me between NT's and ADHD, but I've literally had 3 different roommates who used the world "Adulting" and every time they've ended up just letting something go, waiting for other people to clean up after them literally or figuratively until they hit a breaking point.

The three roommates I've had who all used this god damned word:

One college roommate who was fond of the word constantly just let things fall apart. My anxiety over things domino-ing into my life consistently had me trying to hold things together that really wasn't my responsibility but his. And he took advantage of that. Maybe not always consciously, but even if he wasn't doing it on purpose he certainly did not seem to feel any remorse for stressing me the fuck out and guilt tripping me when he constantly asked for my help for basically everything.

Filling out financial, government, and school forms, cleaning his own goddamned room so it did not produce a horrid stench in the rest of the house, calling to have his car towed so it could be fixed because he neglected it's basic care and then expecting me to drive him to work. He did have ADHD but I've met other people with ADHD and when they fucked up they tried to make up for it. He did not give a fuck. Everytime I asked for rent was a dice roll as to whether he'd whine a little and then pay or yell at me and tell me I was a greedy asshole and that I had plenty of money and he was poor so I should dip into my savings to help him out.

One was a drug user and alcoholic and at some point stopped paying rent entirely and may have been secretly trying to sell drugs online using our fucking address. When another roommate agreed to pay for a bus ticket back to their home state to their Aunt's place he threw a hissy fit. We both had to help him pack. He said I was "selfish" for kicking him out and that I wasn't willing to help him more.

Another that used that word, moved in and then insisted that I had the best room and that I was "privileged" for not letting them have the room because she was "going through a rough time and needed their privacy and space". My room was in a far corner away from other rooms and was indeed the largest and honestly I was ambivalent about the room itself, but I had already been living in the room and had no time to just stop what I was doing and move it all for them like she seemed to think was my duty. I told them I was planning on moving out soon and they could have it when I left, that's when they called in in the middle of my work shift and started trying to actively lecture me about my privilege for not doing it immediately and I hung up on them. They also threw a hissy fit and started telling the other roommates random lies about me trying to get them on her side. The remaining 4 months I lived there she paid her rent portion late every month.

Oh, and when she found out my room got terrible AC and heating because of bad ventilation she stopped wanting the room. Their privacy and space suddenly stopped mattering.

They all lamented having to do "adulting". Maybe its a coincidence but man I'm not getting fooled a forth fucking time.

Now, when I was younger, when I fell into my obsessive autistic spirals I too became irresponsible about everything I wasn't obsessed with. The difference was I actively prevented others from taking on my mess because I have a sense of shame and responsibility. I'm talking about people who essentially just repeatedly let me take care of their problems once they discovered I would. And usually the reason I'd help them was because I needed them to not fall into a rut because I lived with them and split rent with them.

Its okay to use the word “adulting” to recognize efforts that need to be undertaken to take care of your adult responsibilities. This doesn’t mean that someone can be allowed to simply delegate their own adult responsibilities on others using this word.

Its "OK" to use the word, but red flags are raised for me when I hear it because of my experiences. And often the "delegation" comes in the form of shaming others for daring to have their shit together and not helping them in their sorry state. Its rarely direct, it is usually subtle and insidious.

Having your own living space is wonderful! Its also a good test to know if you have all the life skills you need. I am hopeful you can get this soon.

I am looking forward to it. I'm pretty old for it to be my first time. To be honest though I do worry that I'll become even more lonely. Roommates aren't all bad, it is nice to have someone to socialize with after work right at home. And unfortunately I wont be bringing my pets with me due to various complications, they're going to live with my mom nearby.

I do worry I might miss socializing with people living right at home, though I intend to just leave my apartment frequently and invite people over. We'll see, maybe I end up hating it and try and roll the dice with roommates again.

[–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 1 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

I'm sorry you've had to deal with that. Many of those things you're describing in your roommates are signs of entitlement or immaturity. Decades ago, I did a lot of the things you are citing. In time I grew up. Those people existed long before the term "adulting" existed. Perhaps the term does end up being some kind of shibboleth for your age group, but I use the term myself, am much older than you, and never use it as excuse to shirk my adult responsibilities to myself or to other.

If you aren't yet ready to live on your own because of finances, would it be possible to seek out older roommates? Perhaps a married couple? There's no guarantee you'll find sane responsible people no matter what demographic you're shopping in, but older and more established folks give you a better shot of having matured and have their shit together.

[–] HalfSalesman@lemmy.world 1 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

I'll be able to afford it. I'll just be saving less money once I move because its higher rent. I just have been wanting a solid buffer in my bank account first before making the move as a result so I've been needing to save up that buffer. I'm about halfway there. Need another 2-3 months of saving first I think.

But yeah I agree that old people can make fantastic roommates but they're more rare in urban areas as roommate options in my experience.

[–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 2 points 14 hours ago

You're on a great path and you know exactly what you need to do to succeed in your goal. I know you've got this!

[–] mahomz@lemmy.world 4 points 6 days ago

Rant away, you are speaking for many of us who just fucking try.

[–] MiDaBa@lemmy.ml 17 points 6 days ago

I'm convinced the ruling class figured out how to reverse the wins the middle class made between 1945 - 1980. We're back to being indentured servants but with the illusion of free will because we can somewhat choose our masters and sometimes work our way up to better conditions provided we help keep the lower class in line.

[–] TediousLength@lemmy.ca 7 points 6 days ago

Well... That's poor/broke adulting. When you're born with a golden spoon in your ass, you're whole house (read mansion) is run by what is called the help. You pay people to sort your shit out. Your kids are raised by nannies, and for the weekend you go to your seaside house on a semiprivate island in your private jet.

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 8 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

Here's the great thing about TODO lists: I control what's on them. So I know what is completely safe to ignore and what's going to ruin me. In most cases, I have a lot of notice about important things and can plan accordingly.

Honestly, if you can get your finances figured out, most of the important things can be automated.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 8 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Honestly, if you can get your finances figured

The difference between "call a plumber, the sink is leaking" and "I'm dedicating my weekend to DIY a pipe repair" is measured in dollars per hour.

My life changed when I move up a tax bracket. Knowing I had the financial flexibility to hire a professional (or afford a maid once a month) when I needed help really changed how stressful day to day chore routine has been.

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 3 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

Sure, but my point is you don't necessarily need to move up a tax bracket to be financially stable, you need to carefully manage your money to maintain an emergency fund so you're not screwed if something goes wrong.

Making more money makes this easier, but it's possible at most income levels.

If you can keep up an efund, you don't need to rely on predatory lenders or pay late fees, which dramatically improves your ability to keep that efund filled. Having access to cash helps make more reasonable decisions, maybe you'll still spend the weekend DIYing a fix, but it'll be a choice.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago (1 children)

you don’t necessarily need to move up a tax bracket to be financially stable, you need to carefully manage your money

Sure. But it's like drinking out of a martini glass. Saying "you can do it without spilling a drop" is true relative to physical balance and personal circumstances. A combination of personal discipline and good fortune means you can get by without any income. But as soon as one or the other slips, you're in trouble.

Making more money makes this easier, but it’s possible at most income levels.

I've lived up and down the income scale, from squeaking by in college to living it up as a well-paid professional. To say it's "easier" is a serious understatement. When you're sitting out in 15° weather for a bus that's an hour late to take you to a job that brings in $10/hr, knowing you can't afford to go grocery shopping tomorrow if it doesn't show, the concept of a budget feels very theoretical.

If you can keep up an efund

Then your income exceeds your expenses. That's as much a benefit of having a higher income, as a consequence of a savvy budget. And a cash savings account comes with its own costs. Short term cash savings means less long term compound investment. It also potentially means deferred capital accumulation. If you can't go to work without a car and you can't fix your car without taking on debt, then you can't afford to carry a positive balance. If you can't afford a dishwasher, you're spending time and energy manually scrubbing dishes when you could be sleeping or working overtime.

On the flip side, if you're running a massive surplus then you can build a passive income through investment. Walk in the door with $1M in your wallet, get a (very conservative under most market conditions) 5% ROI, and you're looking at the median household income with zero days worked.

It's a mug's game to think the economic balancing act is just a question of personal choices. And that's before we get into the feedback loop of poverty - wherein people are effectively trained to think short term by selection bias, as potential longer-term investors get fucked by short term fluctuations in the economy.

That’s as much a benefit of having a higher income, as a consequence of a savvy budget.

Look at the statistics, plenty of people with higher incomes live paycheck to paycheck and don't have an efund. Not having money in the bank is more often a behavioral problem than an income problem.

The real issue imo is that nobody seems to get a proper financial education, and resources vary greatly in quality.

Short term cash savings means less long term compound investment.

Sure, but the compound investment returns will be dwarfed by short term debt interest payments (credit card, personal loans, etc). Far too many people float credit card debt so they don't need to touch investments. That's the problem cash is intended to solve, and you can mitigate that opportunity cost with money market funds and high yield savings asks accounts.

If you can’t go to work without a car and you can’t fix your car without taking on debt, then you can’t afford to carry a positive balance.

Everyone's circumstances are different, but people frequently have more options available to them than they actually consider.

For example:

  • can they fix the car themselves? If you can identify the problem (most car parts stores offer free OBD2 scans), you can perform most repairs with a jack (comes with most cars), socket set ($50 or so at the hardware store), a screwdriver ($20 or so), and YouTube
  • is mass transit an option? A bicycle + bus can get almost everywhere, even in my area with terrible transit options. It'll take an extra hour, but it's a lot cheaper than panicking and paying $1k+ for a tow and repair shop
  • get a ride with a coworker or friend, or even uber until the weekend when you have more time to deal with it
  • quit the job and apply for something closer - if you can survive 3+ months without income, maybe the car breaking down is the kick you needed to pull the trigger on a decision you've been putting off

Obviously individual circumstances differ. My point is that if you have no cash reserves, your anxiety when literally anything goes wrong can blind you to other options (I know because it has happened to me). If you have the fallback option of just paying out of pocket for a fix, you'll probably also be able to take a step back and consider other options.

I've had a cash reserve since I worked my way through college. Sometimes rebuilding that cash reserve sucked and meant I had to eat really cheaply and not go out with friends. I made just over minimum wage (about $9-10/hr) while attending college full time and renting an apartment (shared a bedroom because I couldn't afford my own room). I know how hard that it because I did it. I remember push starting my manual transmission car for weeks because I didn't have the time or money to replace the starter.

I learned to repair my own car, and I've been doing my own maintenance since, even though I can now afford to take it to a shop, though I do refuse the more dangerous jobs (e.g. anything with high voltage or in the steering system). I also rode my bike + bus for a few years to save money and improve my fitness (10 mile ride, so not super close, and I was the only one doing it).

I'm not saying everyone should fix their own cars or ride the bus and bike, I'm saying that not having a cash buffer can lead to desperate decisions. Do what you can to create a surplus each month, even if it's just a few dollars, and save that for a rainy day.

massive surplus

Yes, a higher income or asset balance makes things easier, but not having that doesn't make it impossible, just harder.

feedback loop of poverty - wherein people are effectively trained to think short term by selection bias

Poverty is a completely different beast with its own set of causes and possible solutions. I'm not saying everyone can just "pick themselves up by their bootstraps," I'm saying most people can do better and create a cash cushion.

But yes, family and community culture is a huge part of the problem and reduces the chances for people to better educate on managing finances themselves and break that cycle.

[–] KingPorkChop@lemmy.ca 6 points 6 days ago

I'm in my 50s and I'm about to throw in the towel on this thing called life. I'm never going to retire. My entire life seems to be putting out fires from the week before. The world in general just seems to be getting worse.

I no longer see the point like I did when I was a young romantic.

[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 4 points 6 days ago

Yeah, like at my age, I should have a girlfriend, settle down, and have kids. But that is not my problem. I can barely take care of myself so what if I add more responsibility i didn't ask for lol.

[–] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Thats why procrastination is such a big thing

[–] Eh_I@lemmy.world -1 points 6 days ago

Is there always something that needs to be sorted, or are we all just monkeys with OCD?

[–] MachineFab812@discuss.tchncs.de 69 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Joke's on them. Ignoring it is the easy part. Guilt doesn't help. Meds do.

Meanwhile, constant anxiety kills you young. Imagine being so obsessed with being useful that you don't live long enough to pull it off.

[–] JusticeForPorygon@lemmy.blahaj.zone 20 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

taking meds so my anxiety is controlled enough for me to procrastinate till the last minute

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[–] AFKBRBChocolate@lemmy.ca 50 points 1 week ago (6 children)

I've had a weird arc. A number of months after I graduated college and started working, it finally sunk in that there wasn't always something I needed to be studying or working on, as had been the case for like my whole academic career. I had a job that I wasn't allowed to do outside the plant, so when I went out the gates I was done. Over the years I got promoted to positions of more and more responsibility and, even though I tried hard to keep work and home separate, at some point it was unavoidable and there was always something I needed to be doing, always emails I should be answering.

Then, after 40 years, I retired earlier this year. I had a lot to go through with selling a house and stuff, but it's just starting to get to the point where I don't have something I need to be doing, as had happened 40 years ago.

[–] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 20 points 1 week ago

I think that's a pretty normal arc. You work your butt off to get through school, then when you start working, and you have limited responsibilities, you don't really ever work outside of work. As you become more senior, you will have more to do than can be done in the ~8 hours during the day, M-F and you start feeling like you need to work while you're at home or whatever.

Then when you retire, every thing falls away.

I probably won't get to retire, so, I'll never get there. I'm glad you get to experience that again.

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[–] null@lemmy.nullspace.lol 34 points 1 week ago (4 children)

The neat part is that "chilling" is one of the things you need to put on that to-do list and make time for too!

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[–] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 29 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

If you do get some time off, you can always fill it with worries and anxieties!

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[–] TheLowestStone@lemmy.world 25 points 1 week ago (2 children)

A 20 year old that I worked with asked me what I did over my weekend. My response was basically a list of chores and errands.

She responded, "Nice, you were adulting hard."

I responded, "Unfortunately, I'm just an adult."

[–] tetris11@feddit.uk 2 points 6 days ago

"I need an adult."
"You ARE an adult."
*proceed to get kicked in the nads*

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[–] Drusas@fedia.io 23 points 1 week ago

At one point, I was in a couples' therapy session and I had recently been diagnosed with cystic fibrosis. I realized (and said) in that session that I would never have a break again. Vacation from work? Still have cystic fibrosis to deal with.

[–] k0e3@lemmy.ca 20 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Of course, this is different from person to person, but for me, a lot of anxiety comes from me putting it off. I found that taking care of the shit as soon as possible gives me the time to truly chill until the next wave of shit comes.

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[–] BradleyUffner@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Part of being an adult is knowing what you can ignore for a while and what you can't. So I don't really see a problem there.

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