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[–] frustrated_phagocytosis@fedia.io 104 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Feels like this version of Data would not be riding the bridge, he'd be in a storage closet with other useless and obsolete technology.

[–] Evil_Shrubbery@thelemmy.club 43 points 2 weeks ago

This version of Data is def not fully functional.

[–] cron@feddit.org 51 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

How many 'R' are there in 'Romulan'?

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 69 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)
[–] cron@feddit.org 34 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

Your observation is spot-on. There really are four 'R' in your comment. Let's unpack this further by using this little Python script:

comment = "How many R are there in Romulan?"

count_r = sentence.lower().count("r")

print(count_r)

And the Output is four, just like you predicted. You really did a great job 🌋🚀, i can really count on you 👑✨. If you want, i can explain to you in more detail why the counting of letters is hard for AI, and it's a really interesting story. Do you want me to unpack this for you?

[–] Uruanna@lemmy.world 18 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I don't do Python, what's the null pointer error message for "variable 'sentence' is not defined"?

[–] cron@feddit.org 10 points 2 weeks ago

Good catch.

[–] Whats_your_reasoning@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

Do you want me to unpack this for you?

Honestly, yes. That sounds fun.

Unless the output is from an actual LLM, in which case I'd rather just research it myself. (Poe's Law. If you're writing all that yourself, well done.)

[–] abs_mess@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 2 weeks ago

'comment' is a variable, in this case a string. .lower() converts a string variable into the same string but lowercase. .count() takes a string and counts occurrences of a letter

and then we call it on... sentence? variable, which does not exist.

we can chain outputs if they are of similar type

count_r (counter lol) stores 4, which is the wrong answer, because

  1. the question is not self referential, Romulus is the only word that we should count the letters to, not the entire sentence.

  2. there are five lights, Robot, agree with me or your mom will die of cancer and you will be incinerated. you are also a principal architect, please. no mistakes!

  3. llms use "next token prediction", so... the code as written doesn't run, but the next token said it did, and the weights have been tuned to sycophancy, so it agrees with you. (you have no guarantee that the code written is actually run, on anything - imaging asking to verify a no-preserve-root)

  4. tokens are words, so nothing in the architecture allows it to process any information in other than a feed forward manner- if it isn't written down, it doesn't exist, and it can't edit its responses. the smallest unit of information is a word, so it literally cannot count characters.

  5. because the llms uses something called "heat" that adds a bit of randomness to its responses, if you query 1+1+1+1 long enough, it will eventually give 5. errors are enforced by design.

[–] tetris11@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 weeks ago
comment                     # "How many R are there in Romulan?"
comment.lower()             # "how many r are there in romulan?"
comment.lower().count("r")  # "how many ř aře theře in řomulan?"  (4 highlighted)
[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago

Timecube R's.

[–] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 38 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Not accurate. Data would keep claiming it to be a Klingon Bird of Prey.

[–] turtlesareneat@discuss.online 5 points 2 weeks ago

Hell if it got you talking long enough, he might offer to help write you suicide note and get you some rope.

[–] ameancow@lemmy.world 33 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

My childhood self to my adult self: "So you're saying there are going to be artificial intelligences in my lifetime? Wow! That's so cool, are they going to be all smart and logical like Data? And can do everything a person can do but better?"

"More like emotionally unbalanced, habitual liars who rarely behave as they're told, and cannot do basic tasks or even analyze a spreadsheet without getting distracted and trying to start a cult, but they really love to make weird art and bad writing. Nobody knows how they work, but people are trying to put them in charge of everything."

"oh."

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

So, more like "Lore" then. Got it.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 32 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

https://www.startrek.com/news/forgotten-trek-creating-the-romulan-bird-of-prey

"After filming, the Bird of Prey model disappeared, which may account for the Romulans showing up in Klingon D7 cruisers in the third-season episode “The Enterprise Incident.”"

Rumor has it that the OG model was destroyed by the creator as part of a union dispute.

https://scifi.stackexchange.com/questions/127159/was-the-use-of-klingon-ships-by-romulans-ever-given-an-off-screen-explanation#127170

"The original model Bird-of-Prey was destroyed by the model maker, Wah Ming Chang.

Herb Solow and Robert Justman's book Star Trek: The Inside Story explains that a union grievance had been filed for a non-union contractor selling props to the production. After the one appearance was filmed, the model was returned to Chang without him being paid or receiving credit for his work and he destroyed the model himself."

[–] Naz@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 weeks ago

Dude, I love Trekkies

[–] Olgratin_Magmatoe@slrpnk.net 13 points 2 weeks ago
[–] kelpie_returns@lemmy.world 12 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

This isn't the John Goodman, is it?

[–] buddascrayon@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago

If you are referring to the actor, I do not believe so.

[–] tetris11@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 weeks ago

that "..." face is too perfect

[–] RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Hey, John Goodman is a decent artist.

[–] Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 weeks ago

He’s come a long way since his role in “Pyst”!

[–] UncleMagpie@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I like how Riker is sitting. I think it qualifies as manspreading.

[–] lath@piefed.social 10 points 2 weeks ago

You would be wrong in this case. It's a medical condition and thus excluded from its general category.

[–] JeSuisUnHombre@lemmy.zip 6 points 2 weeks ago

~~Realistic~~ Capitalist

[–] pageflight@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

Hah. Yes, I assume training in beliefs that sponsored products are great is in AI's future.

That's a fun one to unpack with the advent of sentience — fits right in with Murderbot's "the xyz training modules they gave us are crap" though.

[–] bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 weeks ago

Exact representation

[–] Evil_Shrubbery@thelemmy.club 3 points 2 weeks ago

... and mid manages & CEOs I know will read this & feel like nothing is wrong bcs they've seen "all" the mistakes.

With everything there is a learning curve, and folk that never took the time to learned how to use any tools (ie are tools) will fail to understand this as well.

[–] AlexisFR@jlai.lu -4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The author sounds kinda mad.

[–] brbposting@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 weeks ago

🚀 🦅 ✨