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There’s no place in a civilised democratic society for people to be walking around with guns. America, on the other hand…
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In a civilised society, you don't fear every random passerby will try to kill you, so it is irrelevant what they are carrying.
But, really, life is much safer without that many guns. I encourage America to try it. I imagine I could get to enjoy using an assault rifle, but it can't be worth all the shootings.
Look how black panthers existence changed many laws in carry permits, and you understand why both sides needs to be pro-guns
Been around guns my whole life. Shot them, loaded them, cleaned them, but IV never owned one myself. Mostly for a lack of wanting. But now seems a good time to have my own for better or worse.
Girlfriend really don't want me to have it tho
Same here.
To me it's a useless item.
I saw a competition where competitors would stand on a blue square and quickly shoot all the blue targets that popped up, then move to a red square and shoot the red ones. It was timed and looked like a ton of fun. I thought, this would be the only reason I would buy one. But you know, I have a lot of hobbies. That looked real expensive. I would have to hang around gun ranges and gun people. There would be a dangerous weapon in the house. We don't have kids but visitors do. My wife doesn't want it. In the end I just didn't want it.
I have a lot of friends who are Democrats and a lot of them own guns. I laugh every time Republicans say Dems want to take their guns. I'm like, no, they just want some simple safety rules and the strange thing is 80% of all gun owners used to to. I don't know if that's still true but the number came from the NRA a decade or two ago. Yeah, THE NRA. They even used to be in favor of an automatic weapons ban.
I don't think more guns is the answer, but I can kind of see the logic for a lefty to want to defend himself...or his country.
It's not as expensive of a hobby as drugs or cars.so there's that, I guess. 🤷🏼♂️
I've had my FOID for about 17 years. Never felt the need either. Now we're going to the range and shopping guns. Makes more sense to be armed than not in this current climate.
Why though? It's not like people are getting kidnapped off the street oh wait
Are you talking about people in the USA or people elsewhere in the world? The USA is always "special" when it comes to matters like this.
It's definitely not just an American thing.
"Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary." -Karl Marx
America does have a "unique" culture around guns, but that's not all that prevalent on the left. What's driving interest in guns is the sad fact that we might need to use them.
The thought process that "we might need to use them" is evidence that the left in America does think about guns differently than the rest of the world.
You should mention that that was Karl Marx before the US civil war. Not Karl Marx in an age where drone-based warfare is common.
The potential to need to use guns is a statement of fact. The alternative of counting on law and order to correct the overreach of a fascist cop is no longer valid. When people start getting disappeared without due process, that changes the calculus entirely.
I've got no clue what drones have to do with this. That's just one more threat of extrajudicial state violence we might very well have to face. I'd rather try to defend myself from a drone with buck shot than a slingshot.
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Definitely just the USA. I mentioned earlier that I really respect NZ deciding to disarm after their last public shooting. That's something that could really happen when corruption is that low and people are educated and healthy.
Leftists have always been pro gun. There's just not that many leftists. It's the Democrats and neoliberals who think only Trump and his government should have guns.
EU gun restrictions don't come from the left?
Not sorry to burst your bubble: Democrats are left by basic definitions of left & political classifications, historical record, and usual knowledge of political scientists & analysts.
Do you have many conservative views for the proliferation of guns in the EU?
I don't know: I'm asking them.
Conservatives in the US love guns.
I'm not American, but I consider myself left wing, and I am pro gun but I am also pro gun control. I don't think outright banning them is a solution but I also don't think letting them out in the world unchecked is a good idea either.
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I thought leftists are always pro-gun, while its the liberals (which includes those progressives in the US Democratic party) are always against guns.
I always felt like a minority in politics. I grew more and more supportative of egalitarian policies as a I grew older, coming to that conclusion from both logics (I wouldn't want to be treated that way), and also from experience as a racial minority.
But I've literally always been pro-gun since the moment the gun topic came up in school.
Which just leaves me in a very confused position when I learned that out of the two big parties (those that can actually win an election), the party I agree more with opposes guns. I just had a mini-identity crisis.
So while I do vote for democrats, I do so begrudgingly, because there is just no viable left-of-center pro-gun party. Every time they say "gun control" on an election year, I just facepalm, like c'mon just drop the issue from the party platform and win a lot more elections, the time to debate guns was 1789, now its kinda too late, cats out of the bag.
"Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary"
-Karl Marx
I disagree with Stalinism and Maoism, but Marx had great ideas, but sadly people just did a horrible interpretation/implementations of it and used communist/socialist aesthetics to justify their authoritatianism and never actually doing any real egalitarian stuff.
Being pro gun, doesn't have to mean you're against sensible gun laws though
So far, what democrats propose aren't really sensible.
They are giving authority to police to dictate who can or cannot obtain a gun permit.
Like wtf, fuck the police, I don't trust them with shit.
Give that power to like, idk, some sort of jury and maybe we'll talk about gun control. But I ain't trusting cops with the discretion to hand out gun permits. They'll give it to a white young-adult that's racist as fuck and threatened people, but will simultaneously refuse to give a permit to a black store owner seeking for a gun to defend against a potential white mob trying to attack his store.
Before 2022, most Democratic jurisdictions operate under "May-Issue" laws, meaning, cops had broad discretion on whether to issue a permit or not, but then the supreme court, ironically its the 6 fascist-alligned judges, struck it down and the whole US is now under "Shall-Issue" laws, which means, cops cannot deny a permit if the background check comes clean, so no more denying guns to non-whites and using "he looks suspicious" as a reason.
Background checks? Yea fine.
Manatory gun safety training? Sure.
Permits? Ummm only if its a neutral nonpolitical jury/citizen's commission or something like that. Cuz otherwise nope, can't trust cops with the discretion.
Gun Registry? Don't give it to the government. An independent citizen's commission should maintain the registry, only accessible to investigators if there's probable cause and a warrant should be required.
I agree!
They are giving authority to police to >dictate who can or cannot obtain a gun permit.
Like wtf, fuck the police, I don't trust them with >shit.
Give that power to like, idk, some sort of jury and maybe we'll talk about gun control. But I ain't trusting cops with the discretion to hand out gun permits. They'll give it to a white young-adult that's racist as fuck and threatened people, but will simultaneously refuse to give a permit to a black store owner seeking for a gun to defend against a potential white mob trying to attack his store.
Fun fact: NC "recently" (idfk 1-2yr ago) got rid of their Pistol Purchase Permit required to buy a handgun, because it was found that the Sheriffs (who had the authority to approve the permits) were using the law to discriminate. Iirc around the time I read 60% of denials were to black people. That state and others still gatekeep the CCW permit behind the exact same system. Just evidence to your point.
That said, a jury can be, and often is as we've seen, racist too. A NICs check oughta be enough, if you can't trust someone to carry one you can't trust them to have it at all imo. Hell even a NICs check, I personally think nonviolent felons should have a path back to firearms ownership, and don't care if someone is an unlawful user of marijuana.
Manditory safety training, depending on price and time, imo is a barrier to entry for the poor and trivial for the rich. It'd have to be well thought out.
Permits? Bad. Registry? Literal fascism, it's time to "go." Idfc if it's jury, idfc if it's private companies not the feds, no.
Because we've all seen how companies that promised to keep your data safe totally keep that promise! No registry, idfc of it's a "non partisan citizen organization" or data is not safe with anyone!
Background checks? Sure, but burn the data after(not going to happen, I know). But it's better than letting literally anyone buy one. But if you think something like a registry or permits, something they need to keep track of periodically, won't be weaponized against a group of minorities disproportionately then I got some beach front property in Tennessee to sell you.
100%. We already know plenty of cops are definitely the, "just following orders" types of cowards for the defenseless, and they call paramedics for anything so i dont have to deal with it for everything else type.
I'll be damned if im okay with them deciding.
For those DMing me what I meant: I know first hand how domestic abusers and other criminals can get off because the cops dont want to do the paperwork and because theyre drunk or strung out, they call paramedics because, "Altered mental status is a medical issue."
A disadvantaged person asserting their rights? They'll just beat the fuck out of them or shoot em.
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Because fascism is here and guns are a requirement now if we don't want to live in an authoritarian future.
I've been anti-gun my whole life. That's because I had some faith that our society was intelligent enough that we could create a less violent nation that respects democracy and votes our way into a better future.
Reality Check: That isn't our society.
Guns may not save us from authoritarianism, but not having them guarantees it. Wish it wasn't so, but it is.
If this train keeps derailing, they will end up coming for you. That's how fascism works. You want a way to defend yourself or not?
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Ironically, leftists are more in line with the constitution with our reasoning around gun ownership. In my book, anyone who isn't happy with the lax state of gun laws is equally an ally and we shouldn't draw lines in the sand for no reason. You can both own a gun and want it to be harder for people who shouldn't get them to get them, it's almost as silly as the "you criticize society and yet you participate in society" argument.
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Quickest way for trump to take away everyone’s guns is for people he doesn’t like to arm up. Libs, minorities, etc. incidentally - trump is the only president who has suggested guns be taken away. Not even the snowflake republicans’ deepest fears and hatred of the Democratic presidents was ever validated by one of them saying guns should be taken away like trump.
“I like taking the guns early, like in this crazy man’s case that just took place in Florida … to go to court would have taken a long time,” Trump said at a meeting with lawmakers on school safety and gun violence.
“Take the guns first, go through due process second,” Trump said.
Kind of unrelated, but this was the point where the wool fell off my eyes and I realized his base will tolerate anything from him. Before, a statement like this from any national level politician would be an overnight end to their career, regardless of party, the supposed "Constitutionalists" would go unhinged.
But yeah you're exactly right, the moment there is a whiff of leftist elements publicly arming and gaining momentum, we will see favorability for* sweeping gun control. The gun control we have today is largely a response to the right getting terrified of the successes the vocally armed Black Panthers. So get armed, quietly. They have no intentions of this being a 4 or even 8 year administration, the evidence is spilling out of everywhere you look.
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Gotta tap those new markets. Almost a million dead Americans from gun violence in the last twenty years and corporations laughing all the way to the bank.
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