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Libs thinking we're on their side, until the point we reject electoralism and US imperialist propaganda. Then label as as "tankies".

Campists thinking we're on their side until the point we reject "AES" and "left unity". Then label as a "liberals".

Anarchists are clearly the rare species of "liberal tankie" 😆

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[–] wetbeardhairs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 57 points 2 weeks ago (13 children)

I took college courses on comparative politics. It wasn't until I read The Dispossessed by Ursula K Le Guin that I really understood what anarchy and communism are. I really love that book. It does a great job of portraying that world from both a biased, personal lens and then again from outsiders perspectives.

That being said - until we have a planet dedicated to it, I believe any attempt at anarchy will just get overrun by coordinated assholes with guns (read: states).

[–] naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com 25 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Finding a way to defend yourself without reinventing the machinery of the state is certainly one of the larger practical problems facing anarchism.

[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

Anarchists can defend themselves just fine. We just need to learn not to trust MLs and libs to do it with as they'll backstab anarchists at the first opportunity they have to grab power. This sort of rhetoric is like claiming that democracy is a failed concept in the middle ages, because democracies "can't defend themselves from monarchies" or some shit.

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[–] wetbeardhairs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Honestly it makes me understand why tankies exist. I don't agree with them, but I get it. Just like I get capitalism. They both suck but they're both right for different reasons.

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[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 13 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (3 children)

hence why we need socialism first.

(please don't kill me)

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[–] Ioughttamow@fedia.io 9 points 2 weeks ago

The dispossessed had the same affect on me as well, though i only recently read it, about a year ago.

[–] Jayjader@jlai.lu 9 points 2 weeks ago

Even with our own planet, I fear someone would chuck an asteroid our way, à la "it's free real estate!" once the dust settles...

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[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 33 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

My favorite definition comes from an anarchist woodworker.

Yes. Anarchist woodworker.

You can buy the book or download the PDF for free:

Anarchist's Tool Chest:

https://lostartpress.com/products/the-anarchists-tool-chest

"For me, it’s quickest to explain what anarchy isn’t. It’s not about violence, the overthrow of governments, the dismantling of corporations or even the smoking of a mild hallucinogen made from boiling banana peels (actually, I tried this. I don’t recommend it or the searing headache it brings). Instead, anarchism is the realization that all large institutions – governments, corporations, churches – have divided up the tasks we do in our jobs to the point where these institutions do wasteful, dehumanizing and stupid things.

Eunice Minette Schuster states in the book “Native American Anarchism” that American aesthetic anarchy is “the isolation of the individual – his right to his own tools, his mind, his body, and to the products of his labor.”

It’s a desire to work for yourself and to run in social and economic circles made up of other individual artisans."

2 other books in the series, same deal, PDFs are free.

Anarchist's Workbench:

https://lostartpress.com/products/the-anarchists-workbench

Anarchist's Design Book:

https://lostartpress.com/products/the-anarchists-design-book

Also worth reading:

Ingenious Mechanicks:

https://lostartpress.com/products/ingenious-mechanicks

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[–] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 29 points 2 weeks ago (11 children)

I mean its pugjesus man, no one that dedicated to criticizing leftists isn't a cryptofash

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 23 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Impossible, his other favorite things are the Roman Empire (specifically not the Republic) and the universe of 40k!

[–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

As we all know, normal liberals like Rome and Warhammer, and not fascists on Twitter.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 17 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Tbf there's plenty of lefties that love both Roman history and 40k.

They just don't also spend the rest of their time attacking left.

[–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Fair, it's just very odd that he hates socialists more than fascists, and posts about Rome and space Rome.

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[–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 points 2 weeks ago

He punches left, then wonders why leftists don't like him.

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[–] BootyEnthusiast@lemmy.dbzer0.com 29 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Filtering Pugjesus' posts was the greatest boost to my lemmy experience.

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[–] Diva@lemmy.ml 24 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

this whole thing has been salami tactics, but applied to instances.

like they just make up shit, but as long as it's about 'tankies' it just goes around getting repeated unverified. they then expand the definition of 'tankie' as they see fit.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 13 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

So what you’re saying is, first they came for the “authoritarian” communists.

Speaking of: you seldom come across the original version these days. “Communist” is almost always replaced with “socialist,” because fuck tankies.

[–] rockerface@lemmy.cafe 21 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Wasn't this under the post about someone denying Uyghur genocide?

[–] AntiBullyRanger@ani.social 13 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (9 children)

“Denying” is a strong hyperbole to “overblowning.” Pugjesus is literally tankiejacketing instance administrators in an attempt to coagulate enforcement with his fash dynamics.

Instead of collaborating means of liberation, he’s not ending American DeathCamps in his own yard. Something about an a log stuck on your eye and all that.

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[–] _cryptagion@anarchist.nexus 21 points 2 weeks ago

shocking that turbolib pugjesus would be totally ignorant of what anarchism is.

[–] naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Old mate puggy is like the embodiment of the ?mark fischer? quote "it is easier to imagine the end of the world than the end of capitalism".

Then again, apparently I'm a tankie and racist who's going to move to the usa to inform on people with the wrong paperwork according to one user here.

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[–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 18 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

This was posted in MeanwhileOnGrad. There's a level of dedicated anti-socialism there that's a bit beyond using even the most pejorative use of 'lib'.

[–] AntiBullyRanger@ani.social 16 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] _cryptagion@anarchist.nexus 9 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
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[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 15 points 2 weeks ago

we reject “AES” and “left unity”

Real Spanish Republican Hours. Who is ready for the next Franco Dictatorship?

[–] OmegaLemmy@discuss.online 14 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

anarchists being called tankies made me shit my pants laughing

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 13 points 2 weeks ago

i mean tankies are just a slur they made up for leftists at this point

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It really fucks up my mind trying to say who's the worst anarchist between the ones defending america's propaganda and the ones defending china's genocide. And it's not like they're really that much disagreeing, it's just relatively minor differences in their analysis, they all could probably agree that China is genociding Uyghurs and that Western right wings are amplifying it.

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Dude is a joker at best. Not worth taking seriously.

But what libs don't realize is that they're just western tankies. Same ideology, different empires.

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[–] Subdivide6857@midwest.social 9 points 2 weeks ago

Clueless right wingers.

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