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[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 11 points 13 hours ago

The huge mistake accelerationists make is thinking that making things worse can cause a revolution like 100+ years ago.

The technology today isn't the same. A fascist government has real time knowledge of everything, everywhere and can deploy violence instantly.

[–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 13 points 14 hours ago (3 children)

I am an accelerationist. I want to accelerate towards more violence against fascists.

[–] Honytawk@feddit.nl 6 points 12 hours ago

My fists accelerates until it hits a fascists face.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 8 points 14 hours ago

I believe that's a different kind of acceleration, but yes, that would nice.

[–] lennybird@lemmy.world 1 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

You, specifically, or someone else?

[–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

I have only punched a nazi once, but i wouldnt avoid doing so again, if the opportunity presented itself. Im afraid that will come to pass sooner rather than later sadly, considering the rise of fascism everywhere :(

[–] lennybird@lemmy.world 1 points 9 hours ago

Do you think these confirmed nazis that were punched reevaluate their ideological belief set, or it further reinforces their beliefs?

To the bystander ("normie") and especially vulnerable outcast who witnesses it, what is your hope they'd take away from that? For at least here in America many on the left hold a high standard for free speech and a strong separation of words versus physical violence. My concern would then be that we're perceived as hypocrites if we can't reason them out of this belief set but are ourselves forced to proactive violence.

To me I view nazi beliefs as a mental illness no differently than drug addiction. And also a product of parental neglect, abuse, trauma, and poor education. Beating sense into them to me sounds ironically like a conservative methodology, as dangerous and violent as their beliefs are.

[–] A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 2 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (1 children)

Guilty as charged! I don't live in the USA. But reading what I'm reading every day... I just can't help thinking that MAGA won't stop until they crash. I'm open to alternative ways of looking at it though.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 3 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

That's the issue. Crashing won't stop them. Infinite enabling of authoritarians does not lead to authoritarians suddenly losing all popularity and being overwhelmed by a tide of democratic sentiment. It leads to fucking North Korea. There is no level of suffering or oppression people are not willing to buckle under, given sufficient perceived strength of the oppressors.

For that matter, there is no level of suffering great enough to shake people of their convictions. The vast majority of people will return to their convictions as soon as they're able to. Inflicting suffering, or letting fascist regimes inflict suffering, will not 'cure' a population of it. Half of the German population in the 1950s still regarded Hitler as a good leader, even after taking Germany from the second most powerful country in Europe to the fifth most powerful in Berlin, and reducing the country to fucking rubble in service to one of the worst causes mankind has ever known.

Don't welcome a Vichy Regime under the delusion that it will begin the Resistance. Understand that the fall of the Third Republic means that the only route to defeat the fucking fascists becomes narrower, harder, and will lead to a less 'pure' political resolution if successful.

[–] A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 1 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (1 children)

Infinite enabling of authoritarians

OK that's not what I meant at all though. Maybe I was too self-deprecating. Or maybe I saw more sarcasm in the meme than there is.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 1 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

What I meant is that there is no point at which giving ground to authoritarians makes them so nakedly brutal and vile that the population turns against them. My point is that "Things are bad now, but if they get worse, then things will REALLY crash and the population will THEN finally see!" is just not viable, no matter how bad it gets. Every inch given to authoritarians makes them stronger; it will not sap their popularity or lay the groundwork for a successful reaction against them.

[–] A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 1 points 9 hours ago

giving ground to authoritarians makes them so nakedly brutal and vile that the population turns against them

Of course not. I guess I misread the meme. Mea culpa.