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[–] PKscope@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

It's been my experience that dedicated places for fans of certain games or franchises to congregate always devolve into a never-ending cycle of "Everything is wrong and this game is terrible. I have 3000 hours in it.".

No one hates a game like the most dedicated fans do. For instance, I put a significant amount of time into the Forza franchise over the years. The Forza community (both the subreddit and the official Forza forums) might be one of the worst I've ever experienced. No one is ever happy with or about anything.

Basically, if you really like something, avoid the fan communities at all costs. You'll end up finding out about things that are supposedly "game ruining" that you never even knew or cared about and then you won't be able to un-see it.

[–] Logical@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago

Glad he ignored the negativity and succeeded. Personally I don't see the appeal of this type of game though. But, different strokes and all that.

[–] RFKJrsBrainworm@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I honestly couldn't figure the game out....I'm glad people enjoy it, but I'm too smooth brained to have gotten anywhere

[–] Flipper@feddit.org 7 points 1 day ago

If you get stuck or don't know where to go next, you can ask the mayor. He will give you a hint for the next location.

I have a poor sense of direction and just get lost a LOT.

[–] Grizzlyboy@lemmy.zip 23 points 1 day ago

If there’s one thing I’ve learned, it’s not to listen to jaded assholes online.

[–] RedFrank24@lemmy.world 22 points 1 day ago (6 children)

I get the feeling a lot of gamedev communities are full of people who haven't built anything anyone wants to buy, and so get super bitter towards anyone wanting to try, or anyone who manages to make something that actually picks up steam and becomes successful.

They're the sorts of people that will go "X Game is objectively bad!" and then shill their own game which is also bad.

The same happens in art and animation communities, where something will become popular and people will disguise their feeling of "Why can't I get that?!" with "pfft, it's objectively bad!".

[–] janonymous@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago

I get the feeling a lot of [reddit] gamedev communities are full of people who haven’t built anything

FTFY

[–] Deceptichum@quokk.au 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Most Indie gamedev communities are super supportive of each other, or at least that's been my experience from TIGSource to Itch.io days.

[–] Zwrt@lemmy.sdf.org 13 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Speaking as someone who knows a little about game development from formal education in the matter

99% of people on the internet critizing game development have not the faintest idea what they are talking about.

A quick, translation guide (joke):

“I understand that might not be easy but” - would be super easy but there is a list of good reasons why we shouldn’t

“Seems like it would be easy too…” - its a pointlessly impossible endeavour to spend any time on this.

[–] Jankatarch@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago

Also with gamedev there is the additional "I have this great idea but I don't know how to code" community too.

[–] d00ery@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

statistically speaking not every game will be a commercial success.

[–] Wolf@lemmy.today 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I am sure you are right, but r/gaming is a general gaming board. It's not really focused on game creation/development.

[–] Evotech@lemmy.world 73 points 2 days ago (14 children)

This is called survivorship bias

[–] Saleh@feddit.org 17 points 2 days ago

I wonder if the opposite principle also has a name.

The first comment imo. is fair. It says that the market is saturated, so it is difficult to succeed, but it doesn't rule it out by default.

The other two comments are just plain hostile and ended up being wrong. Lets call it dead troll bias or something?

[–] LwL@lemmy.world 22 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Not really. It should be obvious that not every indie game will be super successful. This is just proof that some random reddit comments saying a game looks boring from an early trailer don't mean shit, because basically everything will have those.

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[–] parip@lemmy.cif.su 40 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I guarantee you, every loser making one of those comments doesn't do shit with their lives.

They can't comprehend that in order to get better at things, you have to practice them.

Their lives consist of working, sleeping, and playing video games. It's pathetic.

[–] BussyGyatt@feddit.org 16 points 2 days ago (1 children)

i was going to take this online negativity seriously, but i was recently reminded not to

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[–] fading_person@lemmy.zip 23 points 2 days ago (2 children)

The internet really tends to be cruel. I used to open up about myself in some online spaces, but it only made me feel worse. Now I only talk about non personal stuff

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[–] Alloi@lemmy.world 19 points 2 days ago (1 children)

reddit specifically has also become a cesspool of hateful, miserable, morons.

[–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] aeternum@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 1 day ago

sometimes at the same time.

[–] MonkeMischief@lemmy.today 16 points 2 days ago

Some takeaways here:

  1. Don't give up on yourself or your dreams.

  2. Keep a steady income going while you work on those things, because then your work can be your art for yourself instead of desperately trying to make something sellable before you run out of cash, and treating yourself to a latté feels like you just blew money on a steak dinner using funds that aren't coming back. That stuff is scary.

  3. Game Dev / Gamer reddit has some gem, but on the whole it is full of very, very bitter people. They got that "everything you do is gonna suck and I'm totally saying this because I care" treatment, and they pass it right along. You're better off finding /starting a local club.

  • Of course, ignore #2 maybe if you're one of those self-help book authors who is "so tired of their megacorporate 6-figure income after 10 years" and they have zero debt and saved most of that as a runway and can live on 45k a year. Sure, take the plunge and find your soul or whatever lol.
[–] Rooty@lemmy.world 60 points 2 days ago (20 children)

Shitting on hard work and effort of indie devs and then wondering why the gaming ladscape is filled with souless corporate slop.

[–] pulsewidth@lemmy.world 22 points 2 days ago

Yep, same day they'll complain about Ubisoft and then pre-order the next Assassin's Creed

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[–] kilgore_trout@feddit.it 27 points 2 days ago (6 children)

Do not consider online judgements at all.
Do your thing. Pursue your passions. Do it.

[–] bbb@sh.itjust.works 21 points 2 days ago (4 children)

I've found online feedback useful. You just have to be careful about where you get it and take it with a grain of salt. A very large one.

[–] ricecake@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 days ago

If someone gives you tips, advice, or constructive feedback: there's a good chance they're worth listening to.

Hostile, critical with no other feedback : almost certainly garbage.

The first comment in the image, to my mind, wasn't actually bad. It didn't tell them not to do something and it wasn't critical. It just said they the category was very saturated and they should temper their expectations.

And, you're also entirely correct that you should take even the feedback worth listening to with a grain of salt, or maybe a shaker. :) There's a thousand and one ways to do anything, and it can be difficult to convey the difference between "this is how I would do it" and "this is how you should do it".
(Doing software code reviews is a skill that can help teach the difference, and not everyone learns it)

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[–] DaddleDew@lemmy.world 209 points 3 days ago (34 children)

With 20/20 hindsight it was obviously a good idea.

But at the time of making the decision, it was an unbelievably risky plan and the odds were stacked against it. As a matter of fact, for every successful 2D platformer made with care and love that gets released and becomes successful, there are dozens that fail miserably and that you will never hear of.

Yes, believing in yourself and taking risks makes success possible, but remember that it does not guarantee it.

[–] big_slap@lemmy.world 106 points 3 days ago (2 children)

luck has a lot to do with success, people often forget

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[–] meejle@lemmy.world 204 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Huh, it's not like Reddit to be pointlessly hateful 😌

[–] Zexks@lemmy.world 107 points 3 days ago (15 children)

Lol pointless hate isnt limited to reddit.

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[–] Stalinwolf@lemmy.ca 118 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (13 children)

This is exactly how Eric Barone felt, despite knowing in his heart that he had made something special to him. This is how he thought Stardew Valley would he received. The general gaming community are such cunts.

[–] biotin7@sopuli.xyz 56 points 2 days ago (8 children)

The reason is because; the general community aren't the nerds that made gaming fun

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[–] NewNewAugustEast@lemmy.zip 82 points 2 days ago (16 children)

Speaking of negativity, how the hell do people deal with the way reddit looks now? Everytime I see it this way I am shocked.

Avatars, ads, wasted space, weird conversation drop downs..... yuck.

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[–] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 22 points 2 days ago

I think a few of those people are on here now still moaning about the game being popular.

[–] misteloct@lemmy.dbzer0.com 39 points 2 days ago

This is the plot of Sk8er Boi by Avril Lavigne.

[–] Psaldorn@lemmy.world 79 points 2 days ago (31 children)

As someone who quit his job to create a video game this makes me feel good.

I will probably fail, but that's a future feeling.

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[–] bobbyguy@lemmy.world 23 points 2 days ago (2 children)

this would be on r/agedlikemilk

[–] iamdefinitelyoverthirteen@lemmy.world 27 points 2 days ago (7 children)
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[–] Nils@piefed.ca 86 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I remember the first comment I got on online was "you suck". But it was soon drowned by encouragement words and constructive feedback.


About Hollow Knight, by the time this got posted on reddit, the game was already funded through kickstarter - https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/11662585/hollow-knight

What this image does not show is the amount of support this post received, more than 20k upvotes and plenty of endearing messages on reddit only.

u/YoDudeguy Nov 20 '15
Damn, that looks amazing! Thanks for bringing it to our attention. Will buy.

u/Eliza_Douchecanoe Nov 20 '15
I like the dark feel of it, but with light-hearted game play and sound effects. Good shit.

If I sort by votes, I had to scroll a bit to get to that 756 votes message.

It is important to filter and properly process the messages you receive. There are some mean and unnecessary messages on that image (and on the reddit thread), but they do not show the full picture and at that time could easily be ignored.

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