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[three characters looking awfully bland] The protagonists:

  • Annoying goody two shoes leader who's a paragon of virtue
  • Nerdy scientist with no backstory who keeps doing poor puns
  • Super bland dude who's an obvious self insert for the writer
  • People die because they're "good" and refuse to break the rules
  • They win battles through plot armor and the power of friendship

[a cool looking grizzled character smokes a cigar in a spaceship interior, a foot up on the controls, while a spaceship blasts a mega laser outside in space] The super evil antagonist:

  • Played by the most charismatic actor available on the market
  • Keeps doing the coolest looking things (but you must hate it)
  • Has the coolest secret lair and his henchmen love him
  • Is named Adolf McMurder and genocides with a smile
  • Says an awesome one liner before murdering an orphan

[a nerdy dude in flannel points at a storyboard of the two previous images] The naive screenwriter:

  • At least this time he's not writing women, phew
  • Has too much trust in his audience's media literacy - About to give the super evil antagonist yet another zingy one liner
  • Surely if we show him killing an orphan the audience will hate him
  • Right, guys?… Right??…

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[–] Kataelyna@lemmy.world 59 points 5 days ago (7 children)

One thing that annoys me is when the "bad" guy not only has all the style and charisma, but also starts making too much sense and ends up completely in the right, but they can't let them win because that would change the sacred status quo. So they gotta make them do something really fucked up so everyone can see that they're supposed to be the bad guy, even if the thing they do is random, out of character, and/or has nothing to do with the entirely valid point they're making. Like what they want is basic civil rights, but they also murder orphans. So the good guys gotta stop their nefarious plan to give everyone basic civil rights.

[–] Tonava@sopuli.xyz 17 points 4 days ago

This is basically how some versions of Transformers go; the motivation given for decepticons is revolting against tyranny they've been slaved under, which basically makes Megatron actually fight for civil rights. This turns autobots into supporters of the opressive rule to keep the inequal status quo. And then you're supposed to root for them as the good guys

[–] nightlily@leminal.space 12 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Marvel is particularly good at that. Both Killmonger from Black Panther and the Flag Smashers from The Falcon and the Winter Soldier come to mind.

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 5 points 4 days ago

And Vulture from the first Spider-Man

[–] Justas@sh.itjust.works 22 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Something something Legend of Korra's first villain?

[–] JowlesMcGee@fedia.io 15 points 4 days ago (2 children)

The exact one that came to my mind. It's wild that the totally legitimate movement just died overnight because their leader was revealed to be a bender. I know they mentioned the government reforms to appease non benders, and realistically the show just wanted to move on, but it definitely still sticks out to me over a decade later

[–] Justas@sh.itjust.works 8 points 4 days ago

Yes, and they solved the inequality overnight and nobody spoke of it ever again.

[–] obinice@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago

their leader was revealed to be a bender

Now there's a gay slur I've not heard in a while!

Still, that tracks, plenty of good ideas or movements through our history have died because people found out the guy leading them was gay.

[–] baines@lemmy.cafe 3 points 4 days ago

that’s because LoK is just bad writing

[–] I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.world 16 points 4 days ago (2 children)
[–] BreakerSwitch@lemmy.world 14 points 4 days ago

As a reminder, Prof X and Magneto were literally styled after MLKjr and Malcom X.

I'm somehow perfectly fine with Magneto. If we treat comic books as media mostly for adolescent boys, I don't have any gripes about a character that exists to explore the idea of "the ends justify the means."

[–] AdrianTheFrog@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago

this is kinda the vibe I got from the Star Wars prequels. like how tf does Anakin go to "well the sith could stop people from dying, and the jedis are kinda corrupt" to "let's kill random children!" in literally one scene with almost no convincing?? It seems like they think because he appreciates the sith's stated goal he'll do something obviously evil for them because "thinking that the people we want to be evil aren't evil == evil". The only way I can explain that bit away is if the sith guy did some sort of evil mind control thing in his moment of shock after accidentally hurting that jedi. IDK i know there are much more direct examples of what you're saying (like what hbomberguy was talking about in that rwby video) and this connection is kinda loose I just want to rant about that scene because I feel like I don't often hear people specifically talking about how little sense that bit makes...

[–] Kellenved@sh.itjust.works 5 points 4 days ago

It’s real life GOP logic - progressives try to expand rights for LGBTQ individuals? Must be because they’re demonic baby eaters

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 3 points 4 days ago

Throw the Robert Pattinson Batman movie on the pile for this one too.

[–] Bad@jlai.lu 92 points 5 days ago (7 children)

Realized I was guilty of this trope while drawing illustrations for a game I'm working on.

So anyway, here's the entrance to Adolf McMurder's secret lair (you're meant to think this is not cool at all):

[–] otacon239@lemmy.world 29 points 5 days ago

Wow that guy definitely isn’t living in the baddest motherfucking lair that I ever did see that I wanted all myself. Not at all.

[–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 18 points 5 days ago

This villain played Mega Man games as a kid.

[–] ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one 9 points 4 days ago

I don't really approve of their ethnic purging policy however I do approve of their architecture design policy.

[–] justme@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

Looks very secret and well hidden;)

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 6 points 4 days ago

If no one survives seeing it then it's still secret!

[–] Stamau123@lemmy.world 18 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

By the power of murderskull!

[–] null@lemmy.nullspace.lol 13 points 5 days ago

you're meant to think this is not cool at all

Then sorry to say, but you failed miserably.

... cool 😎

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 40 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Honestly this is where good Trek shines. Picard is the rebel bad boy who understands the weight of his responsibility and agrees with the mission and foundational rules of the Federation. He understands that the rules are there for a reason and weighs breaking them against that. Meanwhile the villains are less cool at their coolest.

I'm begging writers to have more heroes who are good because it's ultimately to their and everyone else's benefits for the world to be better, for their complexity to be between their instincts and emotions and their knowledge of consequences and costs. For heroes who are neither fascist propaganda by being big strong hero who breaks the rules nor by being the weenie standing next to the big strong villain who breaks the rules. More Picard, more Aang, more Tiffany Aching [or any other Pratchett hero]

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 7 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Sisko is totally fine with terrorism if it's used for good.

As defined by Sisko

[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 7 points 4 days ago

You also have different kinds of stories being shown. 90's Trek typically tells stories from the point of view of various governments trying to interact to get what they want. It isn't just the heroes who have power structures, but also the villains.

[–] 90s_hacker@reddthat.com 11 points 5 days ago (4 children)

I'm reading The Farseer Trilogy right now and this fits the mc painfully well. It's really heartbreaking seeing him do what he believes is right despite everything else going on in his life

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[–] javasux@lemmy.world 48 points 5 days ago (2 children)

I'm so tired of "we keep losing because we refuse to break the rules" copaganda

[–] roscoe@lemmy.dbzer0.com 32 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

The worst ones are when they slaughter scores of henchmen without a single qualm then get all prissy when it comes to the big bad.

[–] twice_hatch@midwest.social 7 points 5 days ago

rules such as "cooperate with cops"

[–] Doc_Crankenstein@slrpnk.net 32 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Warhammer 40k effect.

Games Workshop Writers: "Hey let's make a universe where it's extremely clear that all factions are representations of the worst aspects of human society at their most extreme and how they each contribute to creating a world of unending war that justifies itself by feeding into the cycle of violence."

Warhammer Fandom: "For the Emperor! The Imperium are the good guys! Space Marines are so cool!"

(I say this after beating Space Marines 2, having absolutely reveled in the power fantasy of stomping out xenos scum)

[–] ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one 12 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I am firm believer that many people don't have media literacy skills. People assume protagonist = hero. What does GW do? Humans and Space Marines are the protagonist of the story; look at all the cool shit they do. Pew! Pew Pew! Bam! Boom!

In reality, the Protagonist is just the main character of the story. The Protagonist can be the hero or the villain of the story.

[–] Doc_Crankenstein@slrpnk.net 9 points 4 days ago

Fair assumption. Generally, most people never engage with the world around them on anything more than a superficial level because they have no need or immediately beneficial incentive to do so.

You honestly give them too much credit. Most don't even bother to even think in terms of "protagonist/antagonist".

Terms like "protagonist/antagonist" aren't even part of the equation and, if they are, they actually do understand that "protagonist=main character" but that thought is then followed by the assumption that "main character=good guy".

To them, stories are just entertainment, nothing more. There are no allegories or themes or political commentary. Just Michael Bay explosions and spectacle. Any messaging presented are just assumed to align with their internal worldview and, if it can't be reconciled even with leaps of logic, then they just write off the piece as being bad or poorly executed.

[–] MintyAnt@lemmy.world 11 points 5 days ago (1 children)

The fact that being a human in 40k is, no matter what who or where, a fucking nightmare does help illustrate their angle though

[–] Doc_Crankenstein@slrpnk.net 12 points 5 days ago

I mean, it's a fucking nightmare no matter what race you are. That's kinda the whole schtick.

[–] absentbird@lemmy.world 22 points 5 days ago

I feel like the new Superman hit the perfect pitch with Lex Luthor: he's charismatic and powerful, but such a shitty person that you can't help hating his guts. He's just so lame, and insecure, and terrible; he's hoarded all this power and just uses it to glorify his own ego and accumulate more.

[–] sad_detective_man@leminal.space 26 points 5 days ago

YOU ARE NOT IMMUNE TO HAVING YOUR MORALITY SHIFTED BY BASIC AESTHETIC CHOICES 🤖

[–] SereneSadie@lemmy.myserv.one 12 points 5 days ago

Blake's 7.

The show was defined by the 'heroes' ranging from idealistic zealots to self-interested criminals, and includued a cybernetically restrained murderer.

The villains embodied the clean, slick farce of fascism, and either wholly believed in it or knew exactly how to exploit it for their own gains.

For anyone hoping for something that bucks the trend of this depicted complaint.

[–] NONE_dc@lemmy.world 16 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Killmonger, we miss you so much...

[–] Tattorack@lemmy.world 14 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I don't. His arguments sucked.

[–] binarytobis@lemmy.world 9 points 5 days ago (2 children)

I feel like they made Thanos’ argument completely nonsensical as well just so the audience would hate him.

[–] NONE_dc@lemmy.world 19 points 5 days ago (4 children)

That's why I prefer Ultron. He just wanted to destroy humanity cuz we're stupid. No bullshit, just hatred. GOATED.

[–] binarytobis@lemmy.world 6 points 5 days ago

A villain I can really relate to.

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[–] JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago

They should have kept his comic motivations. He became a god and killed half the universe to try (and fail) to get laid.

[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 8 points 5 days ago (4 children)

Just art imitating life. Humans aren't a simple as just "good guys" and "bad guys". Villains could be awesome people but it's their bad moral choices that make them the villains.

We like fictional villains because they're fictional. Someone liking fictional villains doesn't mean they'll like real life villains.

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