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Alt text: A line plot with 2 axis (confidence vs competence) referencing the Dunning-Kruger effect with various distro logos placed at different points on the line. Starts with mint/ubuntu near (0,0) and progressing through multiple distros to end up with opensuse/fedora at what it calls βthe plateau of sustainabilityβ
I assume Hannah Montana Linux is off the chart to the right
Hannah Montana Linux, or HM/Linux as I've taken to calling it, is the sign of true civilization.
why is manjaro there twice? it's a horrible experience no one in their right mind would return to
βMaybe I was the problem?β
they managed to make arch less stable, never update their ssl cert, and every installation slowly falls apart until it's unusable... sure, I'm the problem
You are, by installing it in the first place.
Starting fights today are we?
Gotta dig in early before the pesky Americans wake up
Brother you posted this at the Americans' lunch time (or second breakfast for the pacific coasters) ?? They were already arguing and here you come with petrol and a lit match
Mint, and I'll stay with mint. Perhaps I'm not a good Linux user material, but I just want something that works and doesn't get into the way. You know: a reliable, unobtrusive operating system.
And thereβs no shame in that! Use whatever works for you and donβt let anyone tell you otherwise.
There is SO MUCH shame in that, the pitiful noob wont even learn to RTFM, and then I'll have no way to feel superior to them as I dip my beard into my off brand morning cereal #frostedfakes
Mint is just perfectly fine, don't listen to the naysayers.
As the old observation goes, novices use something like Mint because it's there, and it works; intermediate users use something like Arch because they want the control to tweak things in the greatest depths; experts use something like Mint because it's there, and it works.
Meh, I'm relatively experienced and just use Ubuntu
That's because you use your computer and it's not part of your personality. I'm reasonably well versed in Linux and I've used Pop for years.
I've been using Linux since you created a boot floppy by using dd on the kernel. I use Ubuntu because I just want something that works, is stable in the LTS sense of the word, and I don't have to futz with. I've heard enough about Mint now that I'll probably switch over to it when I build my next machine in several years.
I want to see a graph where X ranges from "ambitious" to "I'm so tired", and Mint is at the end. That's where I'm at.
i'm on NixOS
...and I've been on NixOS for mount stupid, valley of despair and, perhaps, the plateau of sustainability
Agreed, NixOS is all states in once all along. Don't look inside the box to maintain incertitude.
This is funnier if you have mint or Ubuntu on both extreme ends.
That's kinda the case here with Debian being on the extreme opposite of Ubuntu. I don't see any benefit of putting up with the stability issues and complexity of other distros when Debian "just works". And once you debloat Ubuntu you just get Debian.
My guess before reading the comments:
"Everyone hated that."
Oh fuck of with this bullshit. This is why linux is not on more PCs, this distro elitism.
This probably outs me as an old fart, but my first computer experiences were with assembly and BASIC intepreters, then things like COBOL, Fortran, and Pascal.
I remember when Bill Gates got his panties in a wad over people sharing MS BASIC and always tried to steer clear of M$ products from then on, although I did have the common misfortune of having to use Windows in several work environments throughout my career. Luckily, the last I ever had to touch as an admin/user was Windows 7.
My personal desktop OS history is as follows:
Solaris -> OpenBSD -> Slackware -> Debian -> SuSE -> Mandrake -> Gentoo -> Redhat -> Fedora -> Sidux -> Arch -> OpenSUSE -> Mint.
I stick with Mint because I don't want to spend my time tinkering on the OS, and it makes helping all the noobs/non-techies I have convinced to switch to Linux over the years that much easier. This is well over a hundred at this point, and you know who most of them come to when they have a problem. With Mint, they seldom have any issues.
The years I spent tinkering taught me a lot, especially on the rolling OSes, but these days I appreciate having a system that just works reliably, so I can spend my time tinkering on my own projects instead. I have VMs for other OSes as needed anyways.
Now you damn kids get off my lawn!
I don't really care about others but please avoid Manjaro they had some shady finances and apparently don't manage their certs correctly
I am so sick of seeing this ridiculous diagram being labeled the "Dunning-Kruger effect". Go read the actual 1999 paper they wrote. The key takeaway is that the lowest quartile of people tend to overestimate their own performance, and the top quartile underestimate theirs. It doesn't posit anything like this graph, and this is just an ironic example of ignorance.
And second, I am so sick of seeing these ridiculous distro comparisons. Stop with this elitism, even if done humorously. People of all experience levels can be found using different distros, and they all have unique advantages, disadvantages, and communities built around them. Don't shame the great effort that people put into maintaining and developing distros, repositories, and packages. A noob can use Arch, and a master can use Ubuntu. Use what appeals to you, and be happy in knowing you can experiment or stick to anything. This is the beauty of FOSS and the Linux ecosystem; it's a great place for both tinkerers as well as those who want familiarity. There is no one true way.
Debian is love. Debian is life.
Ubuntu and Mint need to be repeated on the far right (the actual Sesame Street definition of "right", not Nazis)
Seriously. I feel like the people I know who know the most about computing have the least preferences for a distro, if they even use Linux at all.
Full circle, back to Mint
Not a graph of the Dunning-Kruget Effect. It's actually a reverse of the uncanny valley chart. This is the Dunning-Kruger effect chart:
I'm gonna put this out there: If you can do Endeavour or Manjaro, you can do Arch, and Arch is in no way less stable than Tumbleweed. All you need to do is to pick btrfs and enable snapshots and then never use them.
Why in the world is Fedora peak enlightenment. Any well run, simple, community run distro is peak enlightenment.
Iβve started with Debian and Iβve settled with Debian, have had no need or ambition to distro hop.
Fedora on laptop, NixOS everywhere else, donβt really feel enlightened
