i'd react the same way cuz i hate unequal gender division.
if they tell her she has to wear something different they should also tell boys to wear something different.
i hope it bothers her also when rules are unequal against males too. If so, good daughter. Smite those gender divisions.
I mean, i think if one of the boys tried to wear a bikini theyd tell him to wear something different too.
the scary thing is that those rules were probably put in place because of the grown up councillors 🤢
No rules about femboys though? I see a loophole here.
I don't think Linux devs go to summer camps...
Maybe don't refer to femboys when talking about 12 year olds?
Being a femboy isn't inherently sexual.
Well fuck, when you're right you're right.
Just kind of a gut reaction, as that's how the world treats them, but that's not really fair.
Americans when they learn that cross-dressing isn't considered adult only in other places. Sure you have RuPaul's drag race which is very sexualised, but that isn't the only type of cross-dressing that exists.
Also the rules listed are actually sexualising girls. I would rather mock the rules instead. The femboys are not the problem here.
Honestly, I blame the history of the word and its relation to slurs for trans women. Femboy, trap, and multiple others started as words to describe trans women as actually just being a gay man trying to trick straight men into having sex with them by pretending to be a woman.
I'm glad to see that they've evolved beyond that into a very fun way for men to play and express themselves outside of the arbitrary gender binary, but I totally understand the gut reaction of basically "femboy = twink with extra steps."
Genuinely wonder how they'd react to a boy showing up in a two-piece like some kind of gacha femboy.
these are the boys' rules.
I remember my time as a boy... Back then the rules for us were "whatever dumb shit you're thinking of doing, fucking don't!".
Ever get chased through the fields with the nice, big, beautiful stick you brought back earlier that day?
Ever had heavy stuff thrown at you for doing some really dumb shit?
Ever left the home with a deep, resentful glare burning through the back of your skull?
It's difficult to lay down rules for boys because in general, we're dumb as shit doing dumb shit all the time. So there's almost always one, unspoken rule for boys: "Just fucking don't!"
The problem though is that girls are held upon to a higher standard. There are expectations of a higher level of civility and understanding, though undue in my opinion. Some of y'all were as dumb as the rest of us and were treated unfairly due to those higher standards.
But let's face it, as parents or adults, we all probably tend to have a similar kind of bias towards our own kids. Some of them are dumb as shit and while we worry about them, every time they plan to do something stupid, the inner voice we won't admit to is saying "please, oh please, just fucking don't!". Meanwhile, the kids we worry about less as they know their shit, they have clear, but few specific rules because we believe that's what they need.
So, in my humble opinion as a formerly dumb boy/kid, the lack of written rules more likely means there are too many, unpredictable rules that have to be managed proactively.
Btw, unrelated question, has anyone managed to get squirrels drunk in those camps of yours? I know it was on a to-do list at one point...
None of that is "rules for boys" though. They apply to all kids. If a girl is acting rambunctious, she'll get told to stop too. Often for behavior the boys don't even get called out for because, as you said yourself, girls are held to a higher standard of civility.
It's very easy to lay down rules for boys. Don't ogle, grope, or otherwise assault someone just because they're wearing a two - piece swimsuit. Let people wear what they want, even if it's a white shirt. Don't let the outer appearance of anyone be the guide to make up a fantasy in your head and decide what kind of person they are.
See? That wasn't very hard.
I think not all hope is lost, but you're missing the point here, with a bit of the ol' "boys will be boys" attitude mixed in. First of all, it doesn't help to treat boys (or any teenager for that matter) as some form of intermittent lifeform on its way to achieve full sentience. They're not animals, and most of them haven't been dropped off in the jungle and were raised by wolves. They can, and have to, learn what is acceptable behavior, as well as empathy for those that surround them.
Dismissing any form of accountability and consistently shifting the blame to a 14 year old girl wearing a white shirt at a lake function enforces stereotypes and societal preconceptions that I can only call disgusting.
The rules aren’t because boys will “ogle” the girls, it’s because some religious fuckhead has inserted their views onto society.
Those in power want to enforce abrahamic religious norms. It about control, they don’t care about protecting children.
What are you talking about, boys will absolutely ogle girls, and sometimes other boys. They're teenagers! The thing is, it doesn't matter how prudish you try to be, they'll still do it. If they can see some ankle they'll fap to it later. The best outcome is if they're ogling someone too much and making that person uncomfortable, take them aside and privately tell them to knock that shit off. You don't need a bloody no looking rule that makes them feel sinful just for having a peek at someone clothed. You also wouldn't need a no touching rule if you just fluffing taught them consent at 10yo, around when you should be starting sex ed as well anyway.
I feel like we can teach consent in preschool; it applies to way more than sexual interaction, and would hopefully help kids identify when they're being abused.
To be fair, boys swimsuits are already basically just shorts, there's not much to make rules about. If a boy turned up in a speedo, there'd probably be a new rule.
Yeah, more often than not the lack of rules for men's clothing is because culturally, what's thought of as "men's clothing" is so boring that there's no way it could be sexualized.
Seriously here are the bathing suit options for men: Shorts, Smaller Shorts with no pockets (speedo), Cargo Shorts, Shorts with a T-Shirt and (theoretically, I don't even know where you'd buy one) a one-piece. Everything else, mankini or g-string or whatever, is lingerie and is covered under "decency laws" so you don't have to explicitly address it in your summercamp rules (the reason pants arent included in "No Shirt, No Shoes, No Service")
Meanwhile every bathing suit option women have has been sexualized to the moon and back, and half the options are just lingerie that's acceptable to wear in public bcz all our laws were written by horny hypocrites. A men's speedo covers more than your most basic bikini, are way harder to find and aren't usually sold in boy's sizes. A women's one-piece suit is a camel toe nightmare that should qualify as a fucking miracle if it doesn't leave both cheeks hanging out, and now most of them are including a fucking boob window.
We've internalized the masculine aspects of sexism to the point where we don't need to explicitly state it, and instead spend all our time correcting for the obvious cultural deficiencies that result from it and shifting the responsibility for dealing with it to women. "Why would I change my behavior, I'm fine, nobody's ogling me at the pool." It's great. Really winning as a society.