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[–] MangioneDontMiss@lemmy.ca 1 points 4 hours ago

this is a dumb post.

[–] TheDoozer@lemmy.world 21 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

It's interesting that in the military that is largely flipped. There's pages of rules for what facial hair is allowed, how long it can be, how far past the corner of the mouth it can be, the length of both individual hairs as well as bulk and where hair can be, one specific uniform for each occasion, nail length (kept short) with no color, and all manner of other things.

On the women's side, they get a wide variety of hairstyles (including any and all that men have), longer nails allowed, multiple shirt, pant/skirt, and shoe options for formal wear, and the rules are generally less rigidly followed.

The amount of men butthurt by the difference in standards is hilarious. It's like "oh, first time?" I guarantee they didn't make a fuss when their high school didn't allow spaghetti straps.

[–] Waldelfe@feddit.org 10 points 5 hours ago

Although I have to say it doesn't make sense there either. Either short hair is necessary, than everybody should have it. Or it isn't. Gendered hair styles are stupid.

[–] MIDItheKID@lemmy.world 12 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

Shorts over bathing suits is such a weird one to me. Like... Bathing suit is fine in the water, going in to the water, getting out of the water. But you best cover that shit up for lake activities or whatever. Like what a weird line to draw.

Edit: You know what? These are all really weird. Like... No white t shirts? Are you afraid of them getting wet and maybe revealing the bathing suit they are probably wearing underneath? No two peice bathing suit? Because heaven forbid you show off the most sexual part of the body - the stomach? Like... That's the difference between a one peice and a two piece, right? The stomach? The back? Maybe it's to reduce the chance of a "wardrobe malfunction"?

I dont know.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 29 points 21 hours ago (4 children)

The funny things about the boys rules is that they mostly boil down to "don't let us catch you looking too much like a girl" but also "don't let us catch you looking too much like an adult man, either"

No long hair. But also no facial hair.

No piercings. No visible tattoos. Nothing that might look like a weapon (including combs, heavy shoes, and tshirts with pictures of guns on them).

No eyeliner or hairspray or jewelry. Nothing too punk but also nothing too fruity. Absolutely nothing that might be scary looking. Or drug affiliated. Or queer.

Heaven fucking help you if you look queer. Summer camps hate that.

Mens fashion is all about compliance with the uniform

[–] LadyButterfly@piefed.blahaj.zone 14 points 20 hours ago

The only thing worse than looking LGB is looking T+ heaven forbid your gender identity doesn't fit the binary you were assigned at birth

[–] RBWells@lemmy.world 4 points 18 hours ago

When I was young, the boys' public school dress code did exclude sleeveless shirts, the girls' did not. Boys' dress code excluded skirts, girls' did not. Nobody could have short shorts.

Church camp, well it's Florida, everyone wore swimsuits to swim, there was no mention of modesty about that, because swimwear is appropriate attire for swimming.

[–] EldenLord@lemmy.world 6 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (2 children)

Nothing that might look like a weapon

Am I too european to understand that?

Also, why would you stop boys from wearing colorful sarongs, surfer mustache and stylish earrings? Isn‘t that what a summer camp should be about?

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 5 points 17 hours ago

Am I too european to understand that?

It's about on par with the UK obsession over Knife Crime.

Isn‘t that what a summer camp should be about?

Summer camp is about putting the kids somewhere cheap so you can keep doing your day job uninterrupted.

[–] NauticalNoodle@lemmy.ml 4 points 20 hours ago

it's a conservative christian thing to ban much of that stuff but I imagine the person you are commenting on probably thought it matched the tone of the original post

[–] LillyPip@lemmy.ca 28 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (2 children)

As someone who was abused, it's always the girl's fault. Just existing is enough. This is especially reinforced in Christian and camp circles, because one of the first stories you learn is all sin started with Eve, and women are why we're all damned.

Men are tempted, women are tempters – that's how it's always been.

[–] Waldelfe@feddit.org 2 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

This just reminded me of the "self-defense training for girls" we had in 8th or 9th grade. It boiled down to "Every man potentially wants to hurt you." Someone walking behind you? Turn around and yell at them to stop it. A man standing too close to you? Yell "Back off".

Of course the situations were all mundane and it was pretty clear you couldn't just yell at or confront any man that comes within ~3 meters of you. So all that "training" did was give me the uneasy feeling that if something happened, it would be my fault. I didn't preemptively yell at the man within the first few seconds of seeing him.

[–] richardmtanguay@lemmy.zip 5 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Exactly! This is why females need to be modest! Besides, the bathing suits from over 100 years ago were a lot more modest than they are now. :-(

[–] LillyPip@lemmy.ca 7 points 19 hours ago

I just love wearing a wool full-body suit in the water. That wet sock feeling all over my body, down to my calves, is just chef’s kiss.

[–] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 101 points 1 day ago (9 children)

Boys also aren't allowed to wear bikinis, and their swimsuits are (usually) shorts already.

No white Tees is BS though.

However, without context, I would hazard a guess that the summer camp has a religious affiliation (most do). My YMCA affiliated summer camp required that all campers attend chapel on Sunday. I "learned" the "hard way" that not participating at chapel was "punished" by being sent to the cafeteria to play games and eat extra breakfast with the non-christian staffers.

[–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 13 points 23 hours ago

“punished” by being sent to the cafeteria to play games and eat extra breakfast with the non-christian staffers

Makes perfect sense! I want to know what their logic is behind this. I imagine it's a mixture of prejudice and plain stupid.

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[–] brem@sh.itjust.works 14 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

As once a boy & now a man. It's simple. Be embarrassed. This applies to any form of sexuality or gender.

I've been fit for my entire life and wished it wouldn't be weird for me to wear a T-shirt while swimming.

There's always more than two sides. That's why I don't flip coins, I roll dice.

[–] _stranger_@lemmy.world 6 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Wear a sun shirt, and then when people ask just say "it's better for my skin" and then drop that mic.

[–] LH0ezVT@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 hours ago

A surfer / rash guard shirt is pretty cool. I have no issues with showing my body, but it just reduces sunburn risk by a lot and lets you stay in cold-ish water longer. Really, no reason not to wear one.

[–] Tetragrade@leminal.space 30 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Just in case the President of the United States wanders into camp.

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[–] acockworkorange@mander.xyz 68 points 1 day ago (2 children)

American prudishness is weird as fuck.

[–] arrow74@lemmy.zip 16 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Europe did ship off their most extreme Christian sects to here

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[–] Alteon@lemmy.world 29 points 1 day ago (2 children)

You can thank our psychotic Evangelical Christians. Bunch of pseudo-puritan nutjobs. They have no issues sinning, but want to make sure that no one else can.

A lot of the anti-abortion folks have had abortions. A lot of the anti-gay folks, have a gay sidepiece or have engaged in sexual acts with someone of the same sex. A lot of the folks that are anti-drug are some of the biggest drug offenders.

Like, at what point do Christians wake up and go, wow, these people are absolutely scum...why am I associating with them?

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[–] untorquer@lemmy.world 123 points 1 day ago (9 children)

Maybe if we didn't divide people by sex and assign gender norms from birth we would learn how to interact before puberty without sexual objectification. It would make navigating teenage years a lot easier if we started than with a gender/sex diverse social group opposed to the current default being through the lens of objectification.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 35 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (15 children)

we would learn how to interact before puberty without sexual objectification.

Most kids do if you leave them alone. It's the adults that have them problems with it. I had zero interest in sex until at least 15 at the earliest. Adults are the problem, as per usual.

[–] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That's interesting, I remember thinking teachers classmates moms were hot when I was in kindergarten and 1st grade. I didn't really know what to do with that feeling but it was definitely there.

[–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 5 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

As someone who hit puberty at 8 and had a shitty mustache at 11 I concur. But it is probably highly variable based off of biology, like I was jacking off like a spider monkey way too early by most peoples standards. Weirdly enough I am aromantic legit don't get the appeal, meanwhile I've got a libido that put a cat in heat to shame.

[–] baduhai@sopuli.xyz 1 points 4 hours ago

Stop shaming cats in heat! They can't help it!

[–] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 3 points 18 hours ago

Weirdly enough I am aromantic legit don’t get the appeal, meanwhile I’ve got a libido that put a cat in heat to shame.

Wow same.

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[–] echodot@feddit.uk 26 points 1 day ago (2 children)

This is for a kids summer camp? Who is the no white T-shirt rule for, the camp staff?

[–] Cruel@programming.dev 1 points 14 hours ago

It's for the pubescent kids. Why wouldn't it be?

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