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They are ignoring it completely. If you try and bring up how bad the administration is they just say "well both sides are bad."
No, it's a clear difference between both sides. One side respects the law and constitution and the other side is only concerned about gaining more power and hurting the working class.
Not just Trump, I don't see anybody on the right even trying to hold themselves to the same standard they demand of the left. There's no good-faith effort whatsoever. They play the victim and demonize the left with every opportunity they get and every time they end up being guilty of what they constantly accuse the left of they flip-flop their stance and promptly move on, only to repeat the same script for the next atrocity their ideology produces.
And yet, time and again the left seems to be either unable to recognize this or unwilling to accept it. They act as if we continue to make concessions then we'll be able to find a common ground, reunite as a nation and return to "normalcy", despite every indication that the right has no interest in cooperation whatsoever, even when it comes to agreeing on objective reality.
Fuck the right, we should be demanding better from ourselves. You really want to be like that gaggle of cave brained cunts????
That gaggle of cave brained cunts seems to be succeeding despite themselves and despite acting against their constituents best interests.
The argument is we need to do something different, need to meet them on the same battlefield. Somehow we need to prevail without degenerating into more of the same
They arent succeeding. Social media is fucking with your head. Outside, the real world is just fine. Trumps online influence is barely a whisper.
The way to defeating them, is by giving the voters who never turned up something to vote for. In 2016, everyone was sick of the corrupting in politics. Its almost 10 years later, and its so much worse. The Dems and DNC are part of the problem. Had Bernie got the nom, he would have been Trump easily. Even republicans at the time(not maga) said they wont vote for Bernie. Instead, they gave the voters more corruption with Hilary. And Trump won. They did it again in 2020, when once again Bernie would have won with ease. Instead this time he was told to step aside for Biden. It should be noted that of the 15 or however many candidates it was that were up for the nom, Biden was the only one who didnt have a free healthcare plan. And Biden was the one they all pushed hard to forced everyone else, including making Harris a laughing stock over her plans, in favour of the one guy who would make sure the money continued to flow in the right direction.
People are desperate for change, real change. Not that fake change Trump has been selling. Real change, that opens up a future that is working two or three jobs just to kinda make ends meet. The DNC needs to step up and give the voters that option because the RNC wont. But I dont think the DNC will either. Just last December when AOC was to get a committee seat that would have been a large stepping stone to running in 2028, Nancy Pelosi rallied to make sure she didnt get the seat. The seat instead going to a 75 year old man with cancer who ended up dying 4 months later. Thats what we are faced with here. Corruption on all sides, and even when we have a 35 year old woman in her prime, the old boys network wont get out of the way, because someone like her wouldnt play well with the higher ups in the party or their donors.
Somethings gotta give, and its not gonna be on the RNC side. They are seeing too much support from following the MAGA crowd. So it needs to the dems. And the people need to get the message through, that they want actual change to vote for. Its the only way to win. Becoming just like the people we hate is not winning. Its worse than losing.
Yeah, I'm definitely not advocating for the left to forego all values in pursuit of power like the right has. I'm merely pointing out the fact that elected Democrats seem to think appealing to the right will eventually win them over and I'm trying to highlight why that's a losing strategy. Though I think that's already clear to most people here. I'm just frustrated by watching the same bullshit play out over and over whilst society crumbles around us.
Let's amend that title for correctness: "Everyone (sane, reasonable, not malicious, and intelligent) is talking..."
@shplane@lemmy.world @sunzu2@thebrainbin.org I can't see sunzu's posts, presumably because they're instance-banned for propaganda or something, but shplane asked a question about "when did AOC sell out to Israel" that has a really important answer, and so being unable to post a direct reply I'm just making it at top level.
So, what happened was that a while back MTG introduced an amendment to one of those big horrifying money-for-war bills that every so often passes through the US congress and unleashes a really unfathomable amount of tangible suffering on the world, without much more than a few hours' attention being paid to it at all either inside or outside congress. MTG's amendment would have removed a small amount of funding for Israel including a grant which is used among other things for some of their "defensive" weapons for civilian areas, while leaving intact the waterfall of money for their offensive weaponry. AOC voted no on that amendment, along with practically everyone else, and then said some dumb shit about why she did.
Of course, later on, she voted no for the massive funding bill which spent $830 billion on various types of killing, including $6 billion for Israel for offensive weapons.
Some people seized on that single vote and claimed that it overshadowed her no vote on the main bill, her protests in favor of Palestine, her attempts to block funding for Israel in ways that were a lot less stupid than MTG's amendment (to the point that at one point Biden got mad at her personally and they had a meeting about it or something, because she was materially gumming up the works), basically all of her support for Palestine which is super rare in the US congress. They're still talking about how bad she betrayed Palestine. It becomes a whole narrative, where she's now pro-genocide irrevocably forever, and if you challenge them on it, they can run and hide behind the fact that she did, in fact, vote against that amendment, and so it's proved now. She's bad. Don't vote for her.
For some reason, this only happens to the left-est of left politicians. You will never heard someone randomly start cursing about how big an asshole Joe Manchin was when he did absolutely incalculable damage to the planet by blocking the first iteration of the IRA. No, you will only hear these kind of neatly-packaged reasons not to support a left politician deployed and repeated (there are only like 10-20 of them, you start to see them repeat after a while if you pay attention) against the leftest of the bunch.
Wonder why.
Other members of the squad voted with MTG
Of course, later on, she voted no for the massive funding bill which spent $830 billion on various types of killing, including $6 billion for Israel for offensive weapons.
This is such a cope.
The thesis stands. When AOCs vote counted, she fell inline with Israeli lobby.
Are they? All I hear is the standard answer shopping to pin this on trans, internet, and gaming.
It’s cos Trump is a child rapist and using it to distract people
Unfortunately they don't feel guilt or shame, so calling out hypocrisy doesn't work with them. Maybe it'll make the undecideds/uninformed wake up though.
I think you’re right, but it’s worth pointing the hypocrisy to non-maga.
Don’t treat maga like they’re arguing in good faith.
Yeah I really fucking wish people would fucking stop with the whole “you’re a hypocrite” thing cos shameless people don’t fucking care about what they spew so it does fuck all but make them laugh
That's the beauty of being a partisan, of either team color.
You can change your opinion on a dime, based on what your favorite news network tells you to think, and you probably aren't even aware of how hypocritical you are.
It is not partisan to take note of the fact that one team keeps assassinating people, and it's weird that it suddenly turned into a big deal now because they assassinated one of their own instead of just assassinating Democrats as normal.
Thanks, FalseEquivocatorOfOne
Thank you for that detailed explanation. Very helpful