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During the previous round of shirkflation I warned people about knowing what year a recipe was from because "a can" means something different in 2004 than in 2010. And now it means something different again in 2025.

Now boxes are getting the shrink treatment too.

cross-posted from: https://lemmy.bestiver.se/post/618032

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[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 16 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Who the fuck is buying those boxes if they still need things like eggs adding?

It's just pre-measured flour, baking soda and sugar. You can do that in under a minute. Shit, the stuff is in the same aisle.

[–] CaptPretentious@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago

Betty Crocker does shrinkflation and you go after the consumer. Way to blame the victim there.

Do you have, in your cupboards, the ingredients to make a German chocolate cake, a pecan cake, and a carrot cake? No? Why not? Swap any of of those for a spice cake, or angel food, or gingerbread... You can't!?!? Why not? A trip to the store and have exactly what I need to make any or all of those. I don't have to pay for extra ingredients that are just going to sit, take up space, and go bad. Do you know how much it would cost to buy all the unique ingredients to make any of those cakes? And you used to get a reliable result too for look, taste, quantity, and quality. But with shrinkflation, that's gone out the door.

Also, ignoring the fact, so many recipes start with a box from Betty Crocker, and then using something they do regularly have at home and use, they add their own little twist on it. Or just use one of those boxes as a base because not everyone has that stuff sitting around or even has the space to store it.

Lastly, flour is one of the most dangerous ingredients to have just sit around in terms of food safety.

But yeah, shame the customer....

[–] Pokey@midwest.social 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The reason for having to add an egg, milk, or some other simple ingredient is because the mix companies found out people were more willing to adopt these mixes if there was a step where they had to do something beyond just adding water. Or at least this is what they told me on the Jiffy Mix factory tour as a child.

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[–] Revan343@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Boxed baking mixes sell better if they still require eggs to be added. Makes people feel like they're actually baking, as opposed to the just-add-water stuff

[–] dodos@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's brain dead easy cooking and people that do it were probably taught by their parents to.

[–] Etterra@discuss.online 6 points 1 day ago

Restaurants do it all the time. Imagine the cake you really like at that one place. Now imagine that it's literally just Betty Crocker.

I learned this first hand at my very first job at 16 and I've never looked at fast food the same way since. The fast food in question is a well-known regional chain, as large McDonald's. Places like McDonald's have their own dedicated supply chain.

[–] LemmyThinkAboutThat@lemmy.myserv.one 29 points 2 days ago (1 children)

This explains everything.

I made some things from hand me down recipes recently that I had memorized and they seemed a bit off. So I dug up the recipes (a can of this and a container of that) and assumed that I was going insane.

These c°ck$uck!ng m0th3rf^ck€r$… Grrr!

[–] FauxPseudo@lemmy.world 18 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Okay but some of my favorite people in life have been cock suckers. Which is why I hate it as a pejorative.

[–] NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Everyone I know has an asshole, yet here we are...

[–] _core@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

There are thousands of recipes sites on the internet with dead simple recipes, especially for cookies. Baking from scratch has never been easier to do.

[–] kalpol@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 day ago

Also the good recipes tell you the weight of the can, if using cans (almost always seems to be things like whole peeled tomatoes or chipotle chilies in adobo)

[–] JackFrostNCola@aussie.zone 18 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Its kinda weird to read she was dissappointed because the recipe was "passed down" by her mother. If its a box mix you add like eggs and water to how much 'recipe' is there to pass down? Its not quite the same as a full recipe that uses a certain brand spice mix for a base or something, the box is the recipe.

[–] Rooty@lemmy.world 17 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Yeah, this is ridiculous. Is measuring things out in grams and mixing the ingredients too complicated? Americans rely too much on corporate ultra-processed food and then get angry when they get shafted.

[–] ButtermilkBiscuit@feddit.nl 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

To this point, you can make cake mix. It's flour, sugar, leavening agents or yeast / baking powder, salt, and anti-clumping agents / preservatives.

Just take 10 minutes and mix that shit together yourself and leave out the preservatives. You'll get a better cake and recipe worth passing down.

[–] Rooty@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I blame processed food manufacturers for turning cookbooks from instruction manuals into marketing vehicles. A recipe that requires 2 eggs, 450g of flour and Uncle Whizbang's Special Baking Powder(tm) is an ad, and not a recipe.

For this reason I've started collecting vintage cookbooks that are actual culinary manuals, and not advertising that you pay for.

[–] BCsven@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 day ago

I get what you are saying, because a lot of those recipes were magazine ads or from the package themselves, but name brand does sometimes help.

Trying to make some recipes from the UK in North America was a challenge, because self rising flour brand Y is different than self rising flour brand X.

And if you counter with "just make your own self rising flour" Then you have to check is it Canadian Flour or American Flour, because the Canadian Flour has much higher protein and absorbs more water. And the rising agents vary.

But those "recipes" fall apart if the brand changes internal ingredients.

[–] JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

This isn't about the instructions on the box. There are other recipes that make use of box mixes as base ingredients.

[–] Zedd_Prophecy@lemmy.world 15 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Because of this I won't buy any box mixes anymore - they were almost always overpriced for what you got and didn't contain anything magical... They just made things simpler. I'll make my cakes and cookies from scratch now and save a fortune.

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[–] obinice@lemmy.world 85 points 3 days ago (39 children)

Recipes that don't specify things in grams and millilitres can go screw.

"Now add a traditional american furlong of bushel sauce to the 25 ounce pot until it bubbles up by five and a smidge horse hands" ... yeah, no 😅

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[–] Fiivemacs@lemmy.ca 132 points 3 days ago (10 children)

using measurements like 'a can' is just a bad idea anyways..

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 85 points 3 days ago (1 children)

While this is true, Betty Crocker is shooting themselves in the foot with this.

Back in the day having a recipe for a specific box made cooking easier and locked people into one brand of ingredients.

This move is undoing a lot of the marketing they did back in the 40s and 50s

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[–] humorlessrepost@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago (2 children)

It would be better if other recipes adjusted accordingly.

The Zatarans Jambalaya box still says to add a pound of smoked sausage. But those sausages went down to 14oz. Then 12oz. Now some are 10oz. The box still says to add a pound. It’s becoming a hotdog/bun situation.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 day ago

I haven't made Zatarans Jambalaya in years but I remember having this exact problem. I would have to use like 1 1/3 packages of sausage and end up with 2/3 of a sausage leftover

[–] raynethackery@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Now I want to re-watch Father of the Bride.

[–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 16 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (6 children)

I'm all for using box mixes like this to make something easier if you wanna bake shit... but this seems a bit odd...

“It’s just so upsetting,” says Judith, whose cookie recipe was passed down by her mother. These “perfect little cookies” once made the rounds at bake sales, Christmas cookie exchanges, and birthdays. She now calls them “unusable.” She could buy an additional box to make up the difference, she acknowledges, “but out of principle, I just can’t.”

It was a box mix... does that really need passing down? It looks like she sub'd oil for butter and thats it. I'm sure the box suggests a little less butter now... so like, a little less oil? I can't imagine the box mix cookies are just plain trash now either, unless they just are.

[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 20 points 2 days ago (1 children)

There are a lot of recipes out there that use boxed cake mixes off-label. Like I saw Dylan Hollis make something that involved one can of pumpkin puree and one box of spice cake mix. There are a lot of things like that which are going to break if package sizes change.

They may not be authentic homemade gourmet organic quarter sawn BPA free low sulfur fair trade influencer grade but there's a lot of people who are nostalgic for recipes like that because it's what mama made in the 80's, and we used to sit around that godawful yellow table with that one chair that had a gash in the back, you remember that? And she'd put that icing on it, that cream cheese icing.

The image I hate most is someone trying to do the old thing of one box of this, one can of that, the batter's not how they remember but whatever, bake...doesn't come out right, over bake...what's going on? And now we're wasting food because "a box of cake mix" isn't what it used to be. All because we suffer a few billionaires to live.

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