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[–] Fancy_Gecko@lemmy.ml 44 points 4 days ago (1 children)

didn't they give standing ovation to a literal nazi last time ?

[–] Albbi@lemmy.ca 10 points 4 days ago (3 children)

They thought they were applauding a Ukrainian WW2 war veteran. He was that, but fought for the Nazis. They didn't know that. Many apologies were given out (as is tradition) and the person who invited the Nazi resigned.

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 16 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Their competence and knowledge being shit is not the gotcha you think it is. Also at least some of them including PM met with Hunka before.

[–] Albbi@lemmy.ca 6 points 4 days ago (2 children)

It seems like there are two things that could account for the situation.

One is that the government knowingly invited a Nazi to be celebrated in front of the Jewish president of Ukraine to mock and embarrass him.

The other is that Hunka never told people he was a Nazi and just said he fought for Ukraine. He seems to have been active in the community and even had an endowment fund set up at the University of Alberta, so maybe he was riding a wave of assumptions for a while.

I guess we could look at how Canada has acted toward Ukraine. That should tell us which of these is more likely.

Since the start of Russia’s full-scale invasion in February 2022, Canada has committed nearly $22 billion in multi-faceted assistance for Ukraine, including over $12.4 billion in direct financial support – the largest per capita financial contribution among G7 countries. source

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Both are absurd nonsenses. First completely ignore that Ukraine does in fact celebrate SS Galizien division which Hunka was member. Second means Canadian Parliament and all its memebers have zero knowledge gathering ability, and as such is at best completely useless intitution.

They knowingly invited known nazi to celebrate him, read something that Canadian-Ukrainian professor Ivan Katchanovski wrote on the topic of neonazism in Ukraine and Canada and their ties.

[–] AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 days ago

I'm puzzled at your assumption that the Jewish president of Ukraine would be uncomfortable around open nazis

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 11 points 4 days ago

Lol. The idea that they hadn't thought to do even the most cursary verification of the guy they were bringing in to give a standing ovation to because he "fought Russia in World War 2" is so absurd that I can't believe anyone takes it seriously. They knew who he was.

[–] Aria@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 4 days ago

If you didn't know and just heard the apology, you'd think the fault was retweeting a Russian hoax.
https://youtu.be/RHkFD4zKEOw

[–] Marshezezz@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 2 days ago

Fucking chodes

[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 28 points 4 days ago (1 children)
[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 12 points 4 days ago (1 children)
[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 16 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Thanks! Fucking unbelievable, well I guess it's the second time in recent history that a nazi gets applause in the house

[–] HiddenLayer555@lemmy.ml 11 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Canadian government try not to make random shit about them challenge 1000% impossible

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 20 points 4 days ago

Canadian Parliament and standing ovations for fascists, name a better duo.

[–] Zaalbar22@lemmygrad.ml 21 points 4 days ago

Standing ovation for yet another Nazi. I really hate living here.

[–] Sauvandu60@lemmy.ml 8 points 3 days ago

smh, Standing ovation for a genocide apologist.

[–] bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Do canadians have to get reminded that they're not american?

[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 8 points 4 days ago

At this point the 51st state is more a part of the US than puerto rico.

[–] ook@discuss.tchncs.de 16 points 4 days ago (1 children)
[–] TribblesBestFriend@startrek.website 9 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Motion pushed by the conservative but (if I’m not mistaken) some Liberal vote for it to pass.

Edit: I’m mistaken

[–] Albbi@lemmy.ca 5 points 4 days ago (2 children)

You're mistaken. It was just a statement against political violence that got a standing ovation. Shocking that politicians would applaud that notion. There was no voting on anything here.

[–] mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca 4 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

eh, it wasn't just a statement against political violence. it also made some minor tribute to Charlie, and asked for sympathy for erikkka and his kids

not much, but more than just a statement on political violence (all of which I agreed with)

she could have left Kirk out of it. it would have been a stronger message. instead, it just comes across as gross

[–] Kyrgizion@lemmy.world 14 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Wow, even the Brits weren't nutty enough to do that, and that's saying something. Guess that 51st state is happening after all. Good luck out there.

[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 10 points 4 days ago

Over my dead body

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 10 points 4 days ago

for a podcaster. oh, Canada.

[–] FreudianCafe@lemmy.ml 10 points 4 days ago

Classic Kkkanada

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 8 points 4 days ago

that's gross.

[–] SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.ml 5 points 4 days ago

MCGA just doesn't roll off of the tongue.

[–] Greg@lemmy.ca 3 points 4 days ago (5 children)

Twitter doesn't have space for nuance. The MP gave a speech about how being able to share diverse perspectives and opinions is important and a Canadian value. That's what got a standing ovation, not Charlie Kirk.

[–] jorge@lemmygrad.ml 16 points 4 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Incorrect. She praised Charlie Kirk as an "outspoken advocate for faith, family, and freedom".

A conservative defending "diverse perspectives" is the liberal (idealist) concept of free speech -- strong hypocrisy. I know little about Canada, but in the US, for example, the regime allows "free speech" for racism, misogyny, homophobia and transphobia; but anti-genocide protesters are brutally repressed by the police. Students are expelled; diplomas are canceled; immigrants (including legal) are deported. Assange was detained for over a decade and almost died in prision. Edward Snowden is in political exile. The Black Panthers were massacred. McCarthyism. Federal funding is cut from universities that allow political dissent.

The regime allows speech that does not destabilize the regime. The US regime allowed Charlie Kirk to spread his bile because that bile posed not threat to the ruling class.

[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 12 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Diverse perspectives doesn't include spreading hate like kirk did

[–] beejboytyson@lemmy.world 6 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Yes, yes it does. That's why it's so hard to be the good guys.

[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 12 points 4 days ago (1 children)

No, it goes against society, it doesn't, and it can't be given equal weight to hate

[–] OrteilGenou@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago (1 children)

That's an absolutist position. It only works if there's a singular definition of hate that is universally accepted.

If you aren't careful with how this is addressed, you end up with people being arrested for calling someone a muppet.

The response to hate cannot be to muzzle it, but to call it out and make sure its impact is understood.

Once you open the door to muzzling people, the next guy in charge can abuse the shit out of that. A measured, thoughtful approach has to be the answer.

[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago (1 children)

In a similar vein to what is considered "reasonable" in courts, is how it needs to be done yes it can be abused, it already is. If someone said we need to kill all russians, they are all bad and I want everyone to know how they are the cause of all bad things, should we allow that person to continue? We can call them out, and we do, but then they have followers who will inevitably start attacking russians, or perceived russians. That's why it can't be accepted.

[–] OrteilGenou@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I don't disagree that it can't be accepted if they are inciting violence, that's already a different classification of speech. If he or anyone else ever openly advocated for violence against anyone they should be shut down and brought up on charges.

[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago (1 children)

And the fun part is, people like kirk lead people to these views points, like stand by and stand down. You need to be able to read between the lines. Kirk talking about abortion being like the Holocaust will incite some of his listeners to action, which starts small with protests and grows into bombing abortion clinics

[–] OrteilGenou@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago (1 children)

That's a leap. If you start banning speech based on what might happen if it's interpreted a certain way by extremists, the game is lost.

[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago

It's not a leap, it's exactly what happens, it's why kirk was shot, it's stochastic terrorism.

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 10 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Not the first time their "diverse perspecitives" that are important Canadian values and got a standing ovation include fascism, racism etc.

[–] mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca 4 points 3 days ago

then she should have left Kirk out of it

[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I mean I just think this is a naive way to look at it. That speech wasn't removed from Kirk. It was clearly about him. It was clearly about lionizing him. It was clearly about making a martyr of him. It was clearly about celebrating him. Remove him and that speech isn't given. You can't take out the motive and context of the speech and pretend it's something entirely different.

[–] cone_zombie@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

remove hi(s assassination), and that speech isn't given

[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Yeah man are you not understanding that I'm talking about him in the context being dead? That's the whole point. It's hard to martyr someone who's alive, though God knows conservatives try that enough.