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submitted 1 year ago by MicroWave@lemmy.world to c/news@lemmy.world

A mother and her 14-year-old daughter are advocating for better protections for victims after AI-generated nude images of the teen and other female classmates were circulated at a high school in New Jersey.

Meanwhile, on the other side of the country, officials are investigating an incident involving a teenage boy who allegedly used artificial intelligence to create and distribute similar images of other students – also teen girls - that attend a high school in suburban Seattle, Washington.

The disturbing cases have put a spotlight yet again on explicit AI-generated material that overwhelmingly harms women and children and is booming online at an unprecedented rate. According to an analysis by independent researcher Genevieve Oh that was shared with The Associated Press, more than 143,000 new deepfake videos were posted online this year, which surpasses every other year combined.

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[-] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 57 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Maybe it is just me, but its why I think this is a bigger issue than just Hollywood.

The rights to famous people's "images" are bought and sold all the time.

I would argue that the entire concept should be made illegal. Others can only use your image with your explicit permission and your image cannot be "owned" by anyone but yourself.

The fact that making a law like this isn't a priority means this will get worse because we already have a society and laws that don't respect our rights to control of our own image.

A law like this would also remove all the questions about youth and sex and instead make it a case of misuse of someone else's image. In this case it could even be considered defamation for altering the image to make it seem like it was real. They defamed her by making it seem like she took nude photos of herself to spread around.

[-] Dark_Arc@social.packetloss.gg 52 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

There are genuine reasons not to give people sole authority over their image though. "Oh that's a picture of me genuinely doing something bad, you can't publish that!"

Like, we still need to be able to have a public conversation about (especially political) public figures and their actions as photographed

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[-] gandalf_der_12te@feddit.de 42 points 1 year ago

Honest opinion:

We should normalize nudity.

That's the only healthy relationship that we can have with our bodies in the long term.

[-] SuddenDownpour@sh.itjust.works 66 points 1 year ago

There's a pretty big fucking difference between normalizing nudity and people putting the faces of 14 year olds in porn video through deepfakes.

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[-] Basil 58 points 1 year ago

This isn't even the problem going on, though? Sure, normalize nudity, whatever, that doesn't fix deep faked porn of literal children.

[-] GiddyGap@lemm.ee 45 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Having spent many years in both the US and multiple European countries, I can confidently say that the US has the weirdest, most unnatural, and most unhealthy relationship with nudity.

[-] ParsnipWitch@feddit.de 12 points 1 year ago

For this to happen people would probably need to stop judging people on their bodies. I am pretty sure there is a connection there. With how extremely superficial media and many relationships are, and with how we value women in particular, this needs a lot of change in people and society.

I also think it would be a good thing, but we still have to do something about it until we reach that point.

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[-] HiddenLayer5@lemmy.ml 42 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Maybe I'm just naive of how many protections we're actually granted but shouldn't this already fall under CP/CSAM legislation in nearly every country?

[-] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 year ago

Would it? How do they prove the age of an AI generated image?

[-] DogMuffins@discuss.tchncs.de 17 points 1 year ago

By.... checking the age of the person depicted in the image?

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[-] Aceticon@lemmy.world 41 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

There might be an upside to all this, though maybe not for these girls: with enough of this people will eventually just stop believing any nude pictures "leaked" are real, which will be a great thing for people who had real nude pictures leaked - which, once on the Internet, are pretty hard to stop spreading - because other people will just presume they're deepfakes.

Mind you, it would be a lot better if people in general culturally evolved beyond being preachy monkeys who pass judgment on others because they've been photographed in their birthday-suit, but that's clearly asking too much so I guess simply people assuming all such things are deepfakes until proven otherwise is at least better than the status quo.

[-] yamanii@lemmy.world 45 points 1 year ago

Photoshop is a 40yo tool and people still believe almost every picture.

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[-] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 32 points 1 year ago

In previous generations the kid making fake porn of their classmates was not a well liked kid. Is that reversed now? On the basis of quality of tech?

[-] Omegamanthethird@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago

That kid that doodles is creepy. But deep fakes probably feel a lot closer to actual nudes.

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[-] calypsopub@lemmy.world 29 points 1 year ago

So as a grown woman, I'm not getting why teenage girls should give any of this oxygen. Some idiot takes my head and pastes it on porn. So what? That's more embarrassing for HIM than for me. How pathetic that these incels are so unable to have a relationship with an actual girl. Whatever, dudes. Any boy who does this should be laughed off campus. Girls need to take their power and use it collectively to shame and humiliate these guys.

I do think anyone who spreads these images should be prosecuted as a child pornographer and listed as a sex offender. Make an example out of a few and the rest won't dare to share it outside their sick incels club.

[-] WoahWoah@lemmy.world 60 points 1 year ago

That's fine and well. Except they are videos, and it is very difficult to prove they aren't you. And the internet is forever.

This isn't like high school when you went to high school.

Agreed on your last paragraph.

[-] MargotRobbie@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

Then nude leak scandals will quickly become a thing of the past, because now every nude video/picture can be assumed to be AI generated and are always fake until proven otherwise.

That's the silver lining of this entire ordeal.

Again, this is a content distribution problem more than an AI problem, the liability should be on those who willingly host these deepfake content than on AI image generators.

[-] finestnothing@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

That would be great in a perfect world, but unfortunately public perception is significantly more important than facts when it comes to stuff like this. People accused of heinous crimes can and do lose friends, their jobs, and have their life ruined even if they prove that they are completely innocent

Plus, something I've already seen happen is someone says a nude is fake and are then told they have to prove that it's fake to get people to believe them... which is very hard without sharing an actual nude that has something unique about their body

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[-] calypsopub@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

Why should they have to expend any energy proving it's not them?

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[-] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 35 points 1 year ago

So they do it and share it around to slut shame you

You try to find a job and they find porn of you

It’s a lot worse than you’re making it out to be when it’s not you that gets to make that decision

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[-] ExLisper@linux.community 27 points 1 year ago

I don't think the problem is that the girls and ashamed of the fake porn. The problem is not even that other kids will believe it. The problem is that kids will use it to mock, bully and ostracise them. It's not being shared as 'OMG, you're so hot I made fake sex tape with you, marry me". It's being shared as "you're a slut that does porn, everyone thinks you're a bitch, go kill yourself'.

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[-] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 26 points 1 year ago

You may not be representative of teenage girls.

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[-] foo@programming.dev 13 points 1 year ago

What if the deep fake was so real it was hard to tell? Now if the deep fake was highly invasive and humiliating? Can you see the problem?

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[-] TheEighthDoctor@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago

What's the fundamental difference between a deep fake and a good Photoshop and why do we need more laws to regulate that?

[-] UlrikHD@programming.dev 24 points 1 year ago

Lower skill ceiling. One option can be done by pretty much anyone at a high volume output, the other would require a lot training and are not available for your average basement dweller.

Good luck trying to regulate it though, Pandora's box is opened and you won't be able to stop the FOSS community from working on the tech.

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[-] virock@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago

I studied Computer Science so I know that the only way to teach an AI agent to stop drawing naked girls is to... give it pictures of naked girls so it can learn what not to draw :(

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[-] Treczoks@lemm.ee 20 points 1 year ago

The problem is how to actually prevent this. What could one do? Make AI systems illegal? Make graphics tools illegal? Make the Internet illegal? Make computers illegal?

[-] Jimmyeatsausage@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago

Make "producing real or simulated CSAM illegal?"

[-] Treczoks@lemm.ee 15 points 1 year ago

Isn't it already? Has it provided any sort of protection? Many things in this world are illegal, and nobody cares.

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[-] Gork@lemm.ee 20 points 1 year ago

President Joe Biden signed an executive order in October that, among other things, called for barring the use of generative AI to produce child sexual abuse material or non-consensual “intimate imagery of real individuals.” The order also directs the federal government to issue guidance to label and watermark AI-generated content to help differentiate between authentic and material made by software.

Step in the right direction, I guess.

How is the government going to be able to differentiate authentic images/videos from AI generated ones? Some of the AI images are getting super realistic, to the point where it's difficult for human eyes to tell the difference.

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[-] leaky_shower_thought@feddit.nl 18 points 1 year ago

reading this, I don't really know what is supposed to be protected here to be deemed possible of protections in the first place.

closest reasonable one is the girl's "identity", so it could be fraud. but it's not used to fool people. more likely, those getting the pics already consented this is ai generated.

so might be defamation?

the image generation tech is already easily accessible so the girl's picture being easily accessible might be the weakest link?

[-] 0x0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 points 1 year ago

Not a lawyer, but I'll take a stab. Pretty sure it's illegal to create sexual images of children, photos or not. It's also illegal to use someone's likeness without permission, but admittedly this depends on the state in the US: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personality_rights

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[-] badbytes@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

AI legal matters are going to be krazy

[-] renrenPDX@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

This is treading on some dangerous waters. Kids need to realize this is way too close to basically creating underage pornography/trafficking.

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