Perfect example. So many half life mods alone spawned stand alone games. Not to mention others created elsewhere. It's kind of offensive that they are saying they're not games

Can't believe Valve didn't make real game. CS, TF2, DOTA2, all fake.

Also Portal Stories: Mel, Portal Reloaded and many more mods for the game all add one extra component to Portal which makes them completely separate games.

A mod isn't a standalone game, sure. It requires the base game to have meaning. Unitl it gets spinned off and becomes a "real" (standalone) game.

Many standalone games are nothing without the game engine, which many developers have bought/licensed.

In this case the "standalone game" can be considered the game engine, which allows the modder to create their own game, within the limits of that engine.

From the point of the player, they need to pay for the game engine and the game/mod in any case, either by paying with one transaction, or, incase of payed mods, in two.

To play a specific DLC, you also have to pay twice. And I am pretty sure that Nintendo will argue that game mechanics in DLCs developed by them can be patented as well...

What I mean is Nintendos argument hat mods aren't 'real games' is flawed...

i mean that one smells more like IP lawyers being IP lawyers and overzealously defending trademarks

Here's one that'll hit them closer to home: The original Donkey Kong is literally a mod for the earlier Radar Scope cabinets. Nintendo had better hope they don't wind up with any video game nerds in any juries or they're going to open a can of worms on themselves that they really don't want to have wriggling all over lap.

I truly don't understand why anyone gave a fuck about Nintendo caring about Palworld.

the monkey paw in question is intellectual property law. everytime a case is ruled in favor of ip law it becomes slightly more restrictive, which generally benefits corporations more than the public. every time you cheer for ip law to be enforced in some big landmark case, you're invariably rooting for the noose around our necks to get just a bit tighter.
it's for this reason that, despite really not liking ai stuff, i think openai and meta being fined for training on "stolen" work will inevitably do more harm than good

Yeah at the beginning Nintendo weren't doing anything despite people complaining about Pal World which I don't really get why they would do such a thing.

nah a series of actual weasels broke the universe

DLCs are not mods because they are official (read: paid)

That's like lawsuit squared

That already happened and they already C&D'd it according to someone else in this thread

Of course not, then it would be a game infringing on their IP. That's just common sense.

It depends how mod is made. If it depends on a base content of a game, it's generally a mod for that game. That's what Counter-Strike and DOTA for example was at first (they required Half-Life, and Warcraft 3 base files respectively).

If you make a game for a specific engine, it's generally considered as a standalone game, not a mod. Also in olden days code for the engine and the game wasn't separated so you couldn't easily reuse the game engine. AFAIK Id Software was one of the first companies that made reusable game engines that were also licensed to other companies, and even made map editor available for free.