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Growing up being called "gifted" only to reach adulthood and discover the bar is simply really low.
It's also kind of surprising how much education mattered. When you're going through it a lot of it doesn't feel useful.
But then you meet people who really can't read or write effectively or understand simple concepts.
Even people here on Lemmy are more likely to take the feeling of each word than to understand the sentences as a whole.
Yeah, I was always shocked by the popsci factoid stats about communication happening primarily via tone and such, it seemed crazy to me that some people use that as primary meaning and not in addition to fully understanding the semantics of what was being said, or that they could even be influenced by the actual choice of words even if the meaning is unchanged, but I guess I was just lucky.
What's really shocking above all for me lately is how few people care about intellectual honesty, and will blatantly go for the most self-serving falsehood no matter how blatant.
I wouldn't claim something I couldn't back up in some way not because I'm just inherently a saint - on a purely selfish animalistic superego esque way - I wouldn't do it because it would hurt my self-esteem to blatantly lie in a self-serving manner because it's just kinda pathetic to have to resort to that.
I wrote a paper for English in college, which I wouldn't write the same way today.
I started with a shocking, racist statement that I held up as an example of things that aren't acceptable. I spent the rest of the paper both refuting that and drawing parallels to other things that shouldn't be acceptable.
My shocking statement was effectively taken at face value, and I was originally given a D on the paper. I went back and argued it into a B, because it really wasn't what it seemed at first, if you just read it.
That attention getter sure got attention though. I don't remember if that was part of the assignment.
I tend to have this writing style often enough that my super power is convincing people to do the opposite of whatever I'm advocating for. There's at least one famous Lemmy example from me.
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Emotional space is easier to navigate than semantic space, and people are lazy. The best LLMs have parameters in the multiple 100s of billions and they're not able to parse at a human-level. That's more neurons than's in the human brain (~86B). I'm not even sure what my point is, too lazy to keep the thread. I'ma take a nap. You take care.
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I used to wonder that as a kid as well. Was I smart or were others just stupid?
For me it was mostly just that I have really good reading comprehension and read ahead in the textbooks when I was bored in class. Basically I ADDed myself into studying.
βThink of how stupid the average person is. Now understand that HALF us are even stupider than that!β
So has average intelligence fallen that much or has the distribution changed so much that the median and the average are quite different? Maybe our graph is now u shaped with a huge number at very low intelligence and equal a very high and not much middle ground? What is it about the internet and 24hour news that has collectively dumbed down the population?
News cycles are breeding grounds for hate. In return, hate is breeding grounds for ignorance, which is closely linked to either cognitive decline or unintelligence
Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering
- Abraham Lincoln
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Carlin really had some amazing quotes
The difference is not huge, but that is the definition of the median.
Example: There are five kids in the class: Alicia (4'), Beth (4'), Charles (5'), Dan (7') and Emma (3 miles). The average height of the class is 1060 feet. Are half of the kids taller/shorter than that? Nah. However, the median is Charles' height, 5 feet. ~Half of the students are above that, and ~half of them are below. If it's an even number of students, the median is between the two middle ones.
Also, I'm slightly worried about Emma.
Emma is just a young ancient norse wyrm. Honestly she's kinda small for her age. You should see her dad he's huge and has a really important job I hear. Something to do with a protected woodland or some such.
Think of how stupid the average person is, then realise half of them are stupider than that - George Carlin
I always kinda hate this quote because that's not really how averages work.
Think of how stupid the median person is, then realise half of them are stupider than that - Not George Carlin
Average can be Median, Mean, Mode or even other measures.
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The joke works because intelligence tests follow a normal bell curve. Therefore, approximately half of the population would actually fall below average.
I mean, it is intended to be how averages work for sufficiently large sample sizes. That's the intent of a bell curve. For 800 people, maybe not, but for 8 billion? Probably extremely close.
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Averages donβt always* work like that. In a lot of real world cases, that statement is accurate enough. When we are doing average wealth then yea, the numbers will be skewed a lot, but something like height would likely have similar mean and median.
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Image description: A screenshot of the main character from the film βIdiocracyβ looking very uncomfortable with his circumstances.
it's not about smart vs stupid. it's about skeptical vs gullible.
plenty of very smart people are gullible. and most people are gullible because it's 'nice'.
most of us who are skeptical are see as cold, mean, and anti-social. hence to be pro-social you have to be 'stupid' and believe in the nonsense everyone else is going on about.
I haven't seen this perspective before. What makes you think healthy skepticism needs to be demeaning or rude?
They're saying skeptics are perceived that way, not that they necessarily are acting that way. Just that other people clock you as "not nice" when you don't always take what they say at face value.
yep. they don't like being questioned or doubted. especially so if they are spouting bullshit and lies.
Learning can be uncomfortable, and one persons sources of motivation could be another personsβs trigger points for mis-associated signals for impending stress or injury.
The conmen whom you question will make the effort to color your skepticism as demeaning and rude.
it isn't.
but people interpret it that way. because it's not 'friendly' to ask questions or be skeptical. people typically get angry if you ask them why they do something... and they regard your blind acceptance of them as positive.
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I totally get that. I routinely remind the dumbest people online that I am orders of magnitude intellectually superior to them, and they immediately assume Iβm calling myself smart. Nope. Iβm not that smart.
I sometimes see from the other side. I'm pretty impressed that even the most stupid of us (mental disorders notwithstanding) can still get dressed, work basic electronics, understand road traffic well enough not to die immediately etc.
Compared to every other animal on the planet we'renot doing too bad.
I know someone that saying Steam Deck sucks because its running linux, that a Lenovo Legion is superior, because its running Windows, but also complain about Windows updates and disabled all updates. Like dude gets a new device and the first thing he does is turn off updates, and then stays on the stock rom. Well good luck running the 5 year old OS while you do online banking, dumbass, surely the cybercriminals would be nice to you.
I am stupid :3 I will always find a way to outstupid the stupid :3
"There is considerable overlap between the intelligence of the smartest bears and the dumbest tourists." - Park Rangers talking about me
Related: βI would never want to be part of a club that would have me as a member.β
A lot of "stupidity" you see in the world is a result of anxiety and exhaustion proximately caused by individual poverty and bad infrastructure* imo
*Infrastructure includes hard systems like transit and housing and soft systems like community organizations and government agencies imo
speak for yourself.
I live in Cambridge MA. one of the smartest/richest places on the planet. Lots of people are stupid here and anxious and exhausted even making 300-400K a year and living lives of luxury and privilege.
the crux of it is they are just selfish jerks who don't care about anyone else and are supremely overconfident about how genius they are... and that arrogance makes them incredibly gullible and stupid when a charming personality tries to convince them that vaccines cause autism. and their biggest complaint about their lives is that they don't have more luxury and privledge and that they are actually 'struggling' in life because they can't afford to charter jets and have to 'suffer' first class plane travel.
When I had intense legal problems I found myself being stupid and then regretted decades ago judging all the kids at school who may have had horrific home lives.
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A problem is that people are both very stupid and very smart, just not about the same things.
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You only need to be of average intelligence to have 4 billion people dumber than you
The problem presents when the average goes down.
I'm not appreciably smarter than I was a decade ago, but the average person appears to have been collecting head injuries in that time it would seem.
I get the idea and have said similar things in the past, but defining intelligence is where I get hung up. Socially speaking it makes a lot of sense though.
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