this post was submitted on 23 Sep 2025
270 points (88.4% liked)

politics

25871 readers
3604 users here now

Welcome to the discussion of US Politics!

Rules:

  1. Post only links to articles, Title must fairly describe link contents. If your title differs from the site’s, it should only be to add context or be more descriptive. Do not post entire articles in the body or in the comments.

Links must be to the original source, not an aggregator like Google Amp, MSN, or Yahoo.

Example:

  1. Articles must be relevant to politics. Links must be to quality and original content. Articles should be worth reading. Clickbait, stub articles, and rehosted or stolen content are not allowed. Check your source for Reliability and Bias here.
  2. Be civil, No violations of TOS. It’s OK to say the subject of an article is behaving like a (pejorative, pejorative). It’s NOT OK to say another USER is (pejorative). Strong language is fine, just not directed at other members. Engage in good-faith and with respect! This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban.
  3. No memes, trolling, or low-effort comments. Reposts, misinformation, off-topic, trolling, or offensive. Similarly, if you see posts along these lines, do not engage. Report them, block them, and live a happier life than they do. We see too many slapfights that boil down to "Mom! He's bugging me!" and "I'm not touching you!" Going forward, slapfights will result in removed comments and temp bans to cool off.
  4. Vote based on comment quality, not agreement. This community aims to foster discussion; please reward people for putting effort into articulating their viewpoint, even if you disagree with it.
  5. No hate speech, slurs, celebrating death, advocating violence, or abusive language. This will result in a ban. Usernames containing racist, or inappropriate slurs will be banned without warning

We ask that the users report any comment or post that violate the rules, to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting. Users that post off-topic spam, advocate violence, have multiple comments or posts removed, weaponize reports or violate the code of conduct will be banned.

All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.

That's all the rules!

Civic Links

Register To Vote

Citizenship Resource Center

Congressional Awards Program

Federal Government Agencies

Library of Congress Legislative Resources

The White House

U.S. House of Representatives

U.S. Senate

Partnered Communities:

News

World News

Business News

Political Discussion

Ask Politics

Military News

Global Politics

Moderate Politics

Progressive Politics

UK Politics

Canadian Politics

Australian Politics

New Zealand Politics

founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
 

“Democracy sustains capitalism. Capitalism thrives in a democracy. And, right now, we are dealing with, as I called him at my speech on the Ellipse, a tyrant,” she said, referencing her rally last year on the White House Ellipse in Washington. “We used to compare the strength of our democracy to communist dictators. That’s what we’re dealing with right now in Donald Trump. And these titans of industry are not speaking up,”

(page 3) 50 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] Zedstrian@lemmy.dbzer0.com 188 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (38 children)

He's a fascist dictator, not a communist one. And when the 'titans of industry' care more about their bottom line than democratic principles, that's a sign to rally against them, not frame one's argument with an echo of McCarthyism.

[–] ExistingConsumingSpace@midwest.social 30 points 1 week ago (7 children)

Harris continues to demonstrate that she is not only was too incompetent for the job, but also 1/3 of the reason we have a fascist administration. The other 2/3 belong to Biden and the DNC for the curious. I don't think she's too uneducated to know the difference between communism and fascism, i belive she's intentionally conflating the two because at the end of the day, she's still a right wing pig.

load more comments (6 replies)
load more comments (37 replies)
[–] inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 66 points 1 week ago (10 children)

I mean so close, I do understand what she's trying to get across with things like Intel, yet absolutely dumb messaging.

[–] bigFab@lemmy.world 47 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Kamala going back to american basics: all communist = bad --> all bad = communist.

[–] inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 22 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

Yeah, completely overloaded and missed used term at this point that doesn't reflect the realities of anything in today's world outside of antiquated boomer speak.

She needed to grow a spine and say fascist.

load more comments (3 replies)
[–] very_well_lost@lemmy.world 27 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Even when attacking Trump, Democrats can't resist taking swipes at leftists...

load more comments (1 replies)
load more comments (8 replies)
[–] ech@lemmy.ca 61 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Misleading, editorialized title. Any worthwhile journalist wouldn't quote somebody on words they didn't literally say.

[–] chosensilence@pawb.social 14 points 1 week ago

bad journalism for sure.. however, you can infer the meaning here. i don't think she'd separate 'tyrant' and 'communist' for distinction. still, hate how this shit passes as acceptable writing.

[–] mhague@lemmy.world 44 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

You are not interpreting this correctly, and neither is TheHill / Independent / whatever.

Think about it step by step.

  1. Some time ago, America was hardcore opposed to the USSR and the Communist bloc. Americans like her grew up hearing comparisons with Communist dictators and how they did X, Y, and Z. The bogeyman many people grew up with was a communist dictator who hated free speech, co-opted the state and therefore personally controlled industry, cracked down on artistic expression...
  2. That's what we're dealing with now. Not from the perspective of a McCarthy Boogeyman; Kamala isn't saying he's a communist. But from the adult perspective where we're supposed to care about free speech, a private industry, liberal art... Trump is the thing people grew up hearing about.

Tldr; Kamala didn't say this. This never happened. Watch the interview and think about what she means. Journalism strikes again~

Edit: Here's a simpler example: "We went years hearing from the right about demonic liberals abusing kids. Well Trump is that—that's what we're dealing with now."

That isn't saying Trump is a demonic liberal. It means "the thing everyone hated is here in a different form"

[–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 14 points 1 week ago

“We used to compare the strength of our democracy to communist dictators. That’s what we’re dealing with right now in Donald Trump. And these titans of industry are not speaking up,”

load more comments (1 replies)

Wow and Harris just airballs it. Jesus.

In point of fact, capitalism is demonstrably quite enamored with authoritarianism in more places than just the US.

[–] seathru@lemmy.sdf.org 29 points 1 week ago (24 children)
load more comments (24 replies)
[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 27 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Did she actually say the quote in the title? Or is that the editor's work? In context it seems like she was causing Trump a tyrant, as are communist dictators, but not a communist:

She was pressed on MSNBC’s “The Rachel Maddow Show” about why she didn’t anticipate such action and responded that she believed “titans of industry would be guardrails for our democracy.”

“And one by one by one, they have been silent, they have been … feckless,” Harris said. “It’s not like they’re going to lose their yacht or their house in the Hamptons.”

“Democracy sustains capitalism. Capitalism thrives in a democracy. And, right now, we are dealing with, as I called him at my speech on the Ellipse, a tyrant,” she said, referencing her rally last year on the White House Ellipse in Washington. “We used to compare the strength of our democracy to communist dictators. That’s what we’re dealing with right now in Donald Trump. And these titans of industry are not speaking up,”

Maybe I'm being too charitable. But that's how I read it, perhaps because I don't want to believe that senior Democrats can't tell a communist from a fascist.

[–] HalfSalesman@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago

Oh my fucking god shut the fuck up Kamala.

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago (5 children)

This feels similar to what Biden tried to do (which failed spectacularly, btw) when he tried to outflank Trump on the border from the right, the summer before the election.

Its not clear understands what she's doing here and is confusing the language of communism with that of authoritarianism. So she's saying Trump isn't capitalist enough? Like who is it she thinks this rhetoric is going to move? Who is this argument designed to work on?

load more comments (5 replies)
[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago

She can't say fascist because fascism is the merger of corporate and state power which is what the US has been building since forever.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 14 points 1 week ago

Because calling your enemies commie leftists is definitely not something fascists do.

[–] deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (3 children)

TIL Harris doesn't know the difference between communism and facism.

load more comments (3 replies)
[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 12 points 1 week ago

This seems to be a misquote, unless this is a separate quote they just didn’t bother to put in the article.

My read is she’s saying Trump is a dictator like they had in “communist” countries. I would frame this a bit differently but there certainly are similarities.

[–] return2ozma@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago
load more comments
view more: ‹ prev next ›