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Slavery never left it just got rebranded.

The Thirteenth Amendment needs to be amended.

Per Wikipedia: The Thirteenth Amendment (Amendment XIII) to the United States Constitution abolished slavery and involuntary servitude, except as punishment for a crime. The amendment was passed by the Senate on April 8, 1864, by the House of Representatives on January 31, 1865, and ratified by the required 27 of the then 36 states on December 6, 1865, and proclaimed on December 18, 1865. It was the first of the three Reconstruction Amendments adopted following the American Civil War.

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[–] spaghettiwestern@sh.itjust.works 176 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (8 children)

According to the article, some of the companies who sell products that are made with slave labor include:

[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 143 points 6 days ago (14 children)

Guess I won't be eating food any more

[–] I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.world 65 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

I'm gonna need something a bit more specific than Costco, Sam's Club, Kroger, Walmart, and Target. Are you saying ALL products in those stores are from slave labor? Most? Some? A few obscure items?

I don't really have any other options for groceries where I live.

[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 17 points 6 days ago

That's a good question for OP

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[–] spaghettiwestern@sh.itjust.works 21 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Now is a very good time to become a subsistence farmer.

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 48 points 6 days ago (9 children)

Because that's totally something most people have access to and can do.

Gonna start substinence farming inside my apartment deep in the concrete jungle of the inner city, yup.

The world has changed deeply since the era where that was a way out of this. The majority of US citizens literally do not have access to arable land.

[–] spaghettiwestern@sh.itjust.works 20 points 6 days ago (6 children)
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[–] protist@mander.xyz 34 points 6 days ago (5 children)

I think it would be better to state the specific products rather than call out grocery stores at large. With this info I cant write a letter to Costco telling them I think they should drop a product and why

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[–] protist@mander.xyz 133 points 6 days ago (4 children)

Willie Ingram picked everything from cotton to okra during his 51 years in the state penitentiary, better known as Angola.

During his time in the fields, he was overseen by armed guards on horseback and recalled seeing men, working with little or no water, passing out in triple-digit heat. Some days, he said, workers would throw their tools in the air to protest, despite knowing the potential consequences.

“They’d come, maybe four in the truck, shields over their face, billy clubs, and they’d beat you right there in the field. They beat you, handcuff you and beat you again,” said Ingram, who received a life sentence after pleading guilty to a crime he said he didn’t commit. He was told he would serve 10 ½ years and avoid a possible death penalty, but it wasn’t until 2021 that a sympathetic judge finally released him. He was 73.

This is horrifying in all regards

[–] SexualPolytope@lemmy.sdf.org 52 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

It's basically slavery. I'm willing to bet that most of these people working were black too.

[–] whoisearth@lemmy.ca 26 points 6 days ago (1 children)
[–] Sunflier@lemmy.world 14 points 6 days ago (1 children)

The Thirteenth Amendment only restricts private ownership of people. It also has a carveout specifically related to the punishment for a crime.

Exactly, we never outlawed slavery, we made it explicitly legal. Cops have always been slave catchers in this country.

[–] DrFistington@lemmy.world 23 points 6 days ago

It was horrible to do to people that you claim to be 'rehabilitating'. Now it's going to be done to whatever marginalized group is next in the list, and provided no actual challenge or resistance, that list will grow to include people in trade unions, educated professionals, entertainers, free thinkers, any type of dissenter, oh and they've already dog whistled their plan to 'punish' people who donated to the Harris campaign.

Meanwhile the Trump administration is dismantling agencies that track and fight child/human trafficking. It's not by coincidence. The goal is that we all are essentially assets of the federal government that can be bought, sold, and/or stripped of citizenship if it becomes useful to the regime.

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[–] xxce2AAb@feddit.dk 70 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Once a nation built on slavery, always a nation built on slavery.

[–] SoleInvictus@lemmy.blahaj.zone 22 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Not always. I'm sure it won't be a nation someday.

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[–] einkorn@feddit.org 91 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Slavery is even explicitly allowed as punishment.

[–] ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one 32 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Had to find a way to keep the racists happy with the exception to the 13th amendment.

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[–] Deflated0ne@lemmy.world 62 points 6 days ago

Yeah. 13th ammendment. Slavery never ended.

"Except as punishment for a crime"

[–] Lemmyoutofhere@lemmy.ca 65 points 6 days ago

“Made in USA” = prison labour.

[–] nieminen@lemmy.world 32 points 6 days ago (4 children)

https://www.prisonpolicy.org/blog/2023/09/27/updated_race_data/

graph showing the huge difference in per-capita imprisonments of black Americans vs white

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_ethnicity_in_the_United_States

this is the data that racists (like Kirk) use to justify white supremacy. But the wrongful conviction rate is proven to be nearly the same.

https://eji.org/news/study-shows-race-is-substantial-factor-in-wrongful-convictions/

The report, Race and Wrongful Convictions in the United States 2022, reviewed the cases of 3,200 innocent defendants exonerated in the U.S. since 1989 and found that Black Americans are seven times more likely than white Americans to be falsely convicted of serious crimes. This is true across all major crime categories except for white collar crime, the report said.

We didn't end slavery, just made it palatable to the masses by labeling it "punishment for a crime". They just need people to feel superior to those being exploited. Claiming it's because whites were superior stopped being effective for the majority, so they made it so it seems they do more crime instead.

Additionally, there is more crime in predominantly black areas, but it's not because "black people are more violent" or whatever the hell, it's because racism has made it crazy difficult for black individuals that aren't born rich to progress. They were only sold houses or given apartments in certain areas, forced into poverty by lack of given opportunity, and while (I hope) that's less today, there has been a lasting effect on the general population. When you have to do crime to keep you and your family safe and fed, you do crime.

[–] baggachipz@sh.itjust.works 19 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Any time somebody tries to tell me that racism isn’t really a thing anymore (yes, they do), I always ask:

“Black people have six times the incarceration rate of white people. That can mean one of two things: there’s systemic racism, OR they are committing more crimes because it’s in their nature as a race. So, which is it?”

They never want to answer. They have to keep the mask on. No matter how hard I press for an answer, they never give one and get pissed off. It’s very telling.

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[–] thingAmaBob@lemmy.world 9 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Racists never wish to discuss the nuance. When discussing culture, behavior, and intelligence of the black population, they never wish to discuss the myriad of variables that would cause any negative outcomes. It’s so complicated and does not come down to one race being superior. I will never understand racism.

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[–] Vex_Detrause@lemmy.ca 46 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Economics of Everyday Things : Prison Labor

Barnes is one of around 800,000 incarcerated people with jobs in America's prison system. They grow crops, repair roads, fight wildfires, and manufacture a surprising number of the products we encounter in daily life, from office furniture to reading glasses. It's estimated that more than $11 billion worth of goods and services every year can be traced back to workers who are mostly paid pennies per hour for their labor, or even nothing at all.

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[–] Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca 27 points 5 days ago (1 children)

You may remember this by its legacy name: slavery!

[–] twice_hatch@midwest.social 12 points 5 days ago (1 children)

"Slavery is now American Work Freedom Plus (tm)"

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[–] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 29 points 6 days ago

Between "freeing" the slaves, only to aggressively rebrand them as criminals (eg, guilty of (verb) while black), and the wage slavery many of these companies are happy to engage in, everything has been pretty well cooked for a while.

If they brand you as a criminal and force you into a position of working as a slave, then your food, accommodations, and everything is provided for you. This is "classic" slavery where the slave owns nothing and the slaver provides everything, controlling what is, or isn't allowed, provided, acceptable, etc.

If they don't (or can't) brand you as a criminal, unless you're from a rich family, you end up as a wage slave, where you make just enough to scrape by, often sharing accommodations with others to afford the landlord's rent, never owning property of your own or building any level of wealth through property ownership.... You don't make enough to have a vehicle worth anything, nor anything else of any significant value. You're "free" to choose your slaver, and they let you pick which landlord you pay homage to... The main difference here is that you get to "pick" your oppressors, and now instead of the slaver providing everything for you (food, clothing, accommodation), you have to figure that out for yourself.

The difference is honestly quite small IMO. And when you look at it objectively, you find that a large majority of people are still in slavery in some form or another.

Look around you and realize that "middle class" is pretty much no longer a thing. You're either poor and a wage slave, very poor and/or criminal and a literal slave, or you have enough money to be "independently wealthy" being a landlord or one of the slavers.

They've built a system that can only sustain most people at a level of poverty that affords then no ability to escape from that poverty, while the owners and shareholders, landlords, and bosses of the world, sit on their asses and collect the fruits of our labor.

[–] Cassanderer@thelemmy.club 26 points 6 days ago

I think all of the Fortune 500 companies have divisions that exploit prison labor.

They also get tax breaks for hiring felons they can pay less and even get reoffended on a whim.

The states get next to nothing either for this prison labor oftentimes, but if we looked at the deciders we would find kickbacks. Sweetheart property deals through proxies, sneaky kickbacks but nothing that could not be recognized as such.

Prison contracts are a big graft source too. A truly captive market.

[–] Randomgal@lemmy.ca 38 points 6 days ago

Slavery. The word you're looking for is slavery.

[–] MushuChupacabra@lemmy.world 41 points 6 days ago
[–] Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca 34 points 6 days ago

What a shithole country.

[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 28 points 6 days ago (4 children)

The 13th amendment says that slavery's abolished. Look at all these slave master posing on your dollar.

[–] roofuskit@lemmy.world 14 points 6 days ago (6 children)

Except as punishment for a crime. Literally in the text.

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[–] lowleekun@ani.social 19 points 6 days ago (2 children)
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[–] crystalmerchant@lemmy.world 11 points 5 days ago

Literally written into the constitution

[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 23 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (3 children)

In Canada, large companies that make or sell goods have to submit an S-211 modern slavery report. Here's the 2025 version from Costco: https://scalca.blob.core.windows.net/2025/Costco_Wholesale_Canada_Ltd_2025_gp5j65.pdf

The catalogue: https://www.publicsafety.gc.ca/cnt/rsrcs/lbrr/ctlg/index-en.aspx?l=7

[–] yes_this_time@lemmy.world 16 points 6 days ago (2 children)

73 violations involving slave labour, 1 with child labour, am I reading that right?

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[–] noxypaws@pawb.social 9 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

The US constitution expressly and explicitly allows slavery if it's punishment for a crime. Read the 13th amendment if you don't believe me.

[–] SexualPolytope@lemmy.sdf.org 18 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

The most unrealistic thing in Shawshank Redemption was that anyone gave a fuck about those letters at the end. I'm pretty sure that nothing would've come out of it, and the ~~jailer~~ warden would've become a republican senator in a few years.

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[–] moseschrute@lemmy.world 11 points 6 days ago

Slavery was never made fully illegal in the US. And if you vaguely define some crimes like “loitering” you can easily arrest people you disagree with.

[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 18 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

While most critics don’t believe all jobs should be eliminated, they say incarcerated people should be paid fairly, treated humanely and that all work should be voluntary. Some note that even when people get specialized training, like firefighting, their criminal records can make it almost impossible to get hired on the outside.

“They are largely uncompensated, they are being forced to work, and it’s unsafe. They also aren’t learning skills that will help them when they are released,” said law professor Andrea Armstrong, an expert on prison labor at Loyola University New Orleans. “It raises the question of why we are still forcing people to work in the fields.”

JFC

The AP sifted through thousands of pages of documents and spoke to more than 80 current or formerly incarcerated people, including men and women convicted of crimes that ranged from murder to shoplifting, writing bad checks, theft or other illegal acts linked to drug use. Some were given long sentences for nonviolent offenses because they had previous convictions, while others were released after proving their innocence.

Reporters found people who were hurt or maimed on the job, and also interviewed women who were sexually harassed or abused, sometimes by their civilian supervisors or the correctional officers overseeing them. While it’s often nearly impossible for those involved in workplace accidents to sue, the AP examined dozens of cases that managed to make their way into the court system. Reporters also spoke to family members of prisoners who were killed.

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[–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 17 points 6 days ago (1 children)

They're trying to build a prison

They're trying to build a prison

They're trying to build a prison

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